Joining the F31 community

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-13-2018, 03:55 AM

So...Although I have not yet picked up the car, I'm already planning some small changes including:

-Window tint(install date 12/17)
-BMW 624 M wheels w Pirelli's (spring/summer)
-Dinan Stage 1 v2.(Install date before end of year).

The 624 wheels are not my first choice, I tend to run HRE's (135i and my current M3) but the 624's (wheels and tires) are free. I've attached pics of the wheels for reference.

So, as this car doesn't have adaptive suspension, what are my options for lowering? What have others done(spring vs coil overs) that has not negatively effected ride handling?
Thanks

dan of montana · 12-13-2018, 09:53 AM

Welcome welcome. F31s are awesome.

MSCD · 12-13-2018, 01:38 PM

Welcome! Are you based in Philly? I am out in Wayne and have a AW M Sport F31 - welcome to the club!

LuisBoston · 12-13-2018, 02:59 PM

Welcome!

Hammer Werke · 12-13-2018, 03:24 PM

Wheels are pretty sick. I'm not a fan of the two tone, I would paint them dark monotone but that's just me. Will be nice regardless.

For suspension, my car is stock. But from what I am interested in for street not track.
AC SCHNITZER - Best street springs, even out the xdrive gaps.
Coilovers:
KW Street Comfort - Good Coilover for the street
Bilstein PSS10 B16 - are preferred for adjust-ability and maintenance

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-13-2018, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MSCD

Welcome! Are you based in Philly? I am out in Wayne and have a AW M Sport F31 - welcome to the club!

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

MSCD · 12-13-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyfaanM3

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Originally Posted by MSCD

Welcome! Are you based in Philly? I am out in Wayne and have a AW M Sport F31 - welcome to the club!

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

Great. Not to far. I was at Thompson for a card and coffee in October. My colleague buys from there. Seems like a good dealer! Car looks great - enjoy in good health!

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-13-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MSCD

Welcome! Are you based in Philly? I am out in Wayne and have a AW M Sport F31 - welcome to the club!

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

Great. Not to far. I was at Thompson for a card and coffee in October. My colleague buys from there. Seems like a good dealer! Car looks great - enjoy in good health!

Awesome, I was there for there Cars & Coffee as well w my M3. Let me know of any meet ups.

MSCD · 12-13-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MSCD

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Originally Posted by MSCD

Welcome! Are you based in Philly? I am out in Wayne and have a AW M Sport F31 - welcome to the club!

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

Great. Not to far. I was at Thompson for a card and coffee in October. My colleague buys from there. Seems like a good dealer! Car looks great - enjoy in good health!

Awesome, I was there for there Cars & Coffee as well w my M3. Let me know of any meet ups.

Will do. I was the lone 3 series wagon!

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-15-2018, 09:53 AM

So it's official...I'm now a member of the F31 community.

MSCD · 12-15-2018, 11:04 AM

Congrats! Looks great!

Malloy · 12-15-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyfaanM3

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

I fully trust Matt, Laura and Mike to manage, service and modify my F31 and M3. Matt has moved on, but Laura will keep the performance divison running smoothly.

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-15-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyfaanM3

Awesome, nice to meet you and thanks for the intro. I'm actually out in Doylestown. Thompson BMW is my dealer for service

I fully trust Matt, Laura and Mike to manage, service and modify my F31 and M3. Matt has moved on, but Laura will keep the performance divison running smoothly.

Fully agree. They've been responsible for my last two builds (FBI 135i & F80 M3 ZCP).

Window tint gets installed on Monday

Hope to go in for Dinan Stage 1 v2. In the next week or so.

Wheels & H&R lowering spring once it warms up a bit.

Moupe · 12-15-2018, 11:32 PM

Very nice homie, welcome to F31 ownership!

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-16-2018, 03:42 PM

So after approximately 24+ hours with the car, here are my initial thoughts.

So far, I'm really loving how versatile this engine is. I took it out on some back country roads and was able to push it a bit. This B46 is great engine . In Sport+ it absolutely pushes.

In pushing it though, I ID a few real weak points in the car.

Brakes
Brakes are not confidence inspiring. It seems you have to apply a lot of pedal pressure to make it feel like they are biting and engaging. In addition there seems to be some brake shudder when braking from approx +60/65 mph. Any thought are appreciated!

RFT's
RFT's are just the worst, extra harsh over bumps, they don't feel like they have great grip.

suspension
Car is clearly set up for comfort (xdrive ride height is nuts).

As you shift lanes or go into a corner, the combination of mushy/comfort suspension and crappy tires makes the car feel floaty, it floats and does not feel precise.

I hope to make changes to some suspension & tires by moving to the H&R lowering springs and BMW M Performance 624 wheels & Pirelli summer tires.

Anyone recommend a not too expensive brake upgrade approx $1k?

Moupe · 12-16-2018, 04:57 PM

The blue Brembo M Sport brakes were a factory installed option with the "track handling" package checked.

You can still get OEM BMW (Brembo) kits from your favorite parts counter but only in red, yellow, or orange if I'm not mistaken. These have larger front discs than the factory 2NH option as well.

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-33...g/Performance/

John in VA · 12-16-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Moupe

You can still get OEM BMW (Brembo) kits from your favorite parts counter but only in red, yellow, or orange if I'm not mistaken. These have larger front discs than the factory 2NH option as well.

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-33...g/Performance/

BMW of Silver Spring (MD) beats that ECS Tuning price by >$350, but shipping may be costly for the monster rotors & calipers! You can put the other part #s in their site's search box for other pricing.
https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...ed-34112450468

MSCD · 12-16-2018, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John in VA

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Originally Posted by Moupe

You can still get OEM BMW (Brembo) kits from your favorite parts counter but only in red, yellow, or orange if I'm not mistaken. These have larger front discs than the factory 2NH option as well.

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-33...g/Performance/

BMW of Silver Spring (MD) beats that ECS Tuning price by >$350, but shipping may be costly for the monster rotors & calipers! You can put the other part #s in their site's search box for other pricing.
https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-parts/bmw-f2x-2-series-f3x-3-and-4-series-m-performance-brake-kit-red-34112450468

Agreed, they hav3 great prices. Brian Keller at Sun Motors in PA also does great deals. @BEM-S4 put me on to him!

Moupe · 12-16-2018, 11:20 PM

As an alternative, you could probably just put in better pads, do a thorough bleed, and see how you like the change. If you plan to track, you could also look into a proper AP or Brembo BBK which will arguably be better than the factory BBK.

Tosh wilson · 12-17-2018, 12:20 AM

I too have just joined this page. Had the car for 4 years now but now all the issues are kicking in so looking on here for as much help as possible.

movietub · 12-17-2018, 02:26 AM

The current brakes probably feel soft because the car has sat for a while. Try 5 X 60mph to 20mph hard braking in a row, then wait a few miles and try 'normal' braking - you should notice a difference.

Although it is a concern that you notice judder at relatively low speeds.

As for the floaty feel of the car, the F31 does indeed suffer with that, also understeer if you really push.

PhillyfaanM3 · 12-17-2018, 08:45 AM

So...first mod goes on today. At Shades of Gray window tint in Feasterville PA and going w 30% all around. Will share before and afters.

12-13-2018, 03:55 AM	#23
PhillyfaanM3 Lieutenant 458 Rep 590 Posts Drives: 2018 Mineral Gray Metallic M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bucks County PA iTrader: (1)	So...Although I have not yet picked up the car, I'm already planning some small changes including: -Window tint(install date 12/17) -BMW 624 M wheels w Pirelli's (spring/summer) -Dinan Stage 1 v2.(Install date before end of year). The 624 wheels are not my first choice, I tend to run HRE's (135i and my current M3) but the 624's (wheels and tires) are free. I've attached pics of the wheels for reference. So, as this car doesn't have adaptive suspension, what are my options for lowering? What have others done(spring vs coil overs) that has not negatively effected ride handling? Thanks Attached Images __________________ 2018 MG F80 M3 ZCP \| BBS LM?s \| Michelin Pilot 4s \| BMW HAS Coil Overs \| Stek PPF \| DINAN CF Intakes \| IND Engine cover \| Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust \| 2018 Champaign Quartz F31 Sports Wagon \| BMW 624 wheels \| KW Street Coil Overs \| DINAN Stage 1 v2.0 \| Soul Performance Muffler delete
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Hammer Werke Second Lieutenant 102 Rep 216 Posts Drives: '15 328d Touring Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: LA iTrader: (0)	Wheels are pretty sick. I'm not a fan of the two tone, I would paint them dark monotone but that's just me. Will be nice regardless. For suspension, my car is stock. But from what I am interested in for street not track. AC SCHNITZER - Best street springs, even out the xdrive gaps. Coilovers: KW Street Comfort - Good Coilover for the street Bilstein PSS10 B16 - are preferred for adjust-ability and maintenance
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PhillyfaanM3 Lieutenant 458 Rep 590 Posts Drives: 2018 Mineral Gray Metallic M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bucks County PA iTrader: (1)	So it's official...I'm now a member of the F31 community. Attached Images __________________ 2018 MG F80 M3 ZCP \| BBS LM?s \| Michelin Pilot 4s \| BMW HAS Coil Overs \| Stek PPF \| DINAN CF Intakes \| IND Engine cover \| Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust \| 2018 Champaign Quartz F31 Sports Wagon \| BMW 624 wheels \| KW Street Coil Overs \| DINAN Stage 1 v2.0 \| Soul Performance Muffler delete
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12-16-2018, 03:42 PM	#37
PhillyfaanM3 Lieutenant 458 Rep 590 Posts Drives: 2018 Mineral Gray Metallic M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bucks County PA iTrader: (1)	So after approximately 24+ hours with the car, here are my initial thoughts. So far, I'm really loving how versatile this engine is. I took it out on some back country roads and was able to push it a bit. This B46 is great engine . In Sport+ it absolutely pushes. In pushing it though, I ID a few real weak points in the car. Brakes Brakes are not confidence inspiring. It seems you have to apply a lot of pedal pressure to make it feel like they are biting and engaging. In addition there seems to be some brake shudder when braking from approx +60/65 mph. Any thought are appreciated! RFT's RFT's are just the worst, extra harsh over bumps, they don't feel like they have great grip. suspension Car is clearly set up for comfort (xdrive ride height is nuts). As you shift lanes or go into a corner, the combination of mushy/comfort suspension and crappy tires makes the car feel floaty, it floats and does not feel precise. I hope to make changes to some suspension & tires by moving to the H&R lowering springs and BMW M Performance 624 wheels & Pirelli summer tires. Anyone recommend a not too expensive brake upgrade approx $1k? __________________ 2018 MG F80 M3 ZCP \| BBS LM?s \| Michelin Pilot 4s \| BMW HAS Coil Overs \| Stek PPF \| DINAN CF Intakes \| IND Engine cover \| Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust \| 2018 Champaign Quartz F31 Sports Wagon \| BMW 624 wheels \| KW Street Coil Overs \| DINAN Stage 1 v2.0 \| Soul Performance Muffler delete
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Moupe Monobloc 331 Rep 447 Posts Drives: '02 M Coupe - '19 F31 330ix Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bay Area, Killa Kali iTrader: (1) Garage List 2019 BMW F31 M Spor ... [0.00]	The blue Brembo M Sport brakes were a factory installed option with the "track handling" package checked. You can still get OEM BMW (Brembo) kits from your favorite parts counter but only in red, yellow, or orange if I'm not mistaken. These have larger front discs than the factory 2NH option as well. https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-33...g/Performance/ __________________ -2023 Honda Odyssey Elite - Sonic Gray Pearl / Black -2019 F31 330ix Individual - Champagne Quartz / Coral Red (M-sport, Exec, Premium, Track) -2004 Honda CRV AWD - Silver / Black -2002 S54 M Coupé - Steel Gray / Dark Gray/Black
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12-17-2018, 12:20 AM	#42
Tosh wilson New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: BMW 3-Series m sport coupe Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Leeds iTrader: (0)	I too have just joined this page. Had the car for 4 years now but now all the issues are kicking in so looking on here for as much help as possible.
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12-17-2018, 02:26 AM	#43
movietub First Lieutenant 101 Rep 337 Posts Drives: 330d M-Sport Touring, Black. Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stamford iTrader: (0)	The current brakes probably feel soft because the car has sat for a while. Try 5 X 60mph to 20mph hard braking in a row, then wait a few miles and try 'normal' braking - you should notice a difference. Although it is a concern that you notice judder at relatively low speeds. As for the floaty feel of the car, the F31 does indeed suffer with that, also understeer if you really push.
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PhillyfaanM3 Lieutenant 458 Rep 590 Posts Drives: 2018 Mineral Gray Metallic M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bucks County PA iTrader: (1)	So...first mod goes on today. At Shades of Gray window tint in Feasterville PA and going w 30% all around. Will share before and afters. __________________ 2018 MG F80 M3 ZCP \| BBS LM?s \| Michelin Pilot 4s \| BMW HAS Coil Overs \| Stek PPF \| DINAN CF Intakes \| IND Engine cover \| Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust \| 2018 Champaign Quartz F31 Sports Wagon \| BMW 624 wheels \| KW Street Coil Overs \| DINAN Stage 1 v2.0 \| Soul Performance Muffler delete
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