Turner N55/20 Intercooler

Logicoeur · 11-01-2018, 02:41 PM

Just discovered Turner has a new stepped intercooler for our cars. Anyone try this out yet?

I remember seeing the laser engraving sneak peak in their IG a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a quality built product. I wonder how it compares in fin density to the other popular choices.

IK6SPEED · 11-01-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

Just discovered Turner has a new stepped intercooler for our cars. Anyone try this out yet?

I remember seeing the laser engraving sneak peak in their IG a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a quality built product. I wonder how it compares in fin density to the other popular choices.

As Turner is owned by ECS and Pelican, not sure why you assume it’s a superior part because it has Turner name on it

For my money, ATM is the best out there for only a slightly higher price point.

Logicoeur · 11-01-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

Just discovered Turner has a new stepped intercooler for our cars. Anyone try this out yet?

I remember seeing the laser engraving sneak peak in their IG a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a quality built product. I wonder how it compares in fin density to the other popular choices.

As Turner is owned by ECS and Pelican, not sure why you assume it's a superior part because it has Turner name on it

No assumptions, hence the thread. I know ecs makes people cringe over here, but I've also had no issues using ECS myself over the last decade, so.

It's also important to note Turner made a name for themselves well before the ECS acquisition. They seem to be hardcore racers as I've been following them on IG for a bit now.

What is ATM btw?

IK6SPEED · 11-01-2018, 07:47 PM

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No assumptions, hence the thread. I know ecs makes people cringe over here, but I've also had no issues using ECS myself over the last decade, so.

It's also important to note Turner made a name for themselves well before the ECS acquisition. They seem to be hardcore racers as I've been following them on IG for a bit now.

What is ATM btw?

I have no issue buying OEM Parts from ECS or Turner. I don’t think anyone has an issue with that.

But if you think that Turner is the same as days past, enjoy your Pontiac.

FaRKle! · 11-01-2018, 07:53 PM

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Just discovered Turner has a new stepped intercooler for our cars. Anyone try this out yet?

Looks like one of the Wagner EVO 1 derivatives/copies to me. It should be an improvement, but nowhere near the top of the field with respect to maintaining the lowest temps.

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What is ATM btw?

ATM is Ambient Thermal Management. Their claim to fame is the first to use a "stepped core" design (back in the E90 days), and use a single core, versus most who use two separate cores (one for the top stepped part and one for the lower base/thicker part) of the intercooler.

IK6SPEED · 11-01-2018, 09:26 PM

https://www.atmspeedshop.com/collect...5i-intercooler

ceedawg · 11-02-2018, 05:39 AM

ATM ,Wagner, CSF are ALL Quality FMICs! FACTS!

Logicoeur · 11-03-2018, 01:45 PM

I don't see many posts where people are using the ATM, but I have seen the CSF which seems to be a copy of sorts.

With the csf I believe I read there's a pressure drop of about 2psi, and I believe it since these look much bigger than other popular stepped ICs. Not sure if their version is a bit different, or not, but is this the same experience with the ATM?

I don't plan on upgrading to a bigger turbo with this car so I'd like to avoid as much psi loss as possible.

FaRKle! · 11-14-2018, 11:14 AM

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I don't see many posts where people are using the ATM, but I have seen the CSF which seems to be a copy of sorts.

With the csf I believe I read there's a pressure drop of about 2psi, and I believe it since these look much bigger than other popular stepped ICs. Not sure if their version is a bit different, or not, but is this the same experience with the ATM?

I don't plan on upgrading to a bigger turbo with this car so I'd like to avoid as much psi loss as possible.

The CSF is absolutely a derivative (not an exact copy) of the ATM. It shares the same end tanks, and exact same overall dimensions as the ATM. Where it differs are it uses a two-piece core (vs the single piece core on the ATM), and the lower core has a higher fin density than the ATM. This translates to the CSF being slightly heavier, but may have a bit better heat sinking capability purely due to mass. It also means though that the core is more restrictive than ATM's, which I noticed first hand in daily driving.

Jpup · 11-14-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

I don't see many posts where people are using the ATM, but I have seen the CSF which seems to be a copy of sorts.

With the csf I believe I read there's a pressure drop of about 2psi, and I believe it since these look much bigger than other popular stepped ICs. Not sure if their version is a bit different, or not, but is this the same experience with the ATM?

I don't plan on upgrading to a bigger turbo with this car so I'd like to avoid as much psi loss as possible.

I am FBO E30 and have the CSF. It's interesting you mention the 2 psi pressure drop, would this translate to me being 2 psi off of boost target? You can see the CSF drops IAT over 10 degrees during my pull in the log below:
http://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5be0e3dfd10b436c9421e5af

I am very happy with my CSF intercooler in Phoenix, AZ where temps are higher year round.

mike@x-ph.com · 11-14-2018, 06:04 PM

You can find better intercoolers that cost a lot less

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