[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by 73henny

Because invariably they'll say 'the jobs not suitable' or intentionally miss or mess up the interview as its just easier to stay at home and get paid benefits. The fundamental point is they need to be pushed off benefits into a job. They get 'paid' too much to stay at home so figure 'why go to work'
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Again, please answer me logically and not just out of emotions

You may not like the idea of someone getting paid to do 'nothing' but ;

1. Having someone work at example Tesco full time for free means

- you are taking the job of someone who would have applied
- You are removing time that would be spent looking for a job

2. The media's job is to create outrage

I know you can, we all can think of the people who did sit and do nothing

However jobseekers is a pittance but it gets so much anger

It's housing benefit and how it's managed

The claimant gets the max rent in area, so what do landlords do? Jack it up to that max such that the max now becomes the min

[73henny]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Okay, agreed yes their should be incentives for UK manufactured cars.

The EU would have apoplexy lol.

When in France, try and spot a police car that isn't a Peugeot / Citroen / Renault.

[jusdorange]

Can someone answer the elephant dans la chambre

If you will force someone to work at Tesco, you make employment worse

You take out a job from the job field, Tesco will never hire them just get new ones, all for free

[jusdorange]

and please use reasoning, not lazy workshy bastards need to do something!!

[73henny]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Again, please answer me logically and not just out of emotions

You may not like the idea of someone getting paid to do 'nothing' but ;

1. Having someone work at example Tesco full time for free means

- you are taking the job of someone who would have applied
- You are removing time that would be spent looking for a job

2. The media's job is to create outrage

I know you can, we all can think of the people who did sit and do nothing

However jobseekers is a pittance but it gets so much anger

It's housing benefit and how it's managed

The claimant gets the max rent in area, so what do landlords do? Jack it up to that max such that the max now becomes the min

Agree regarding the housing benefits etc.
And I understand the point you're trying to make with the taking of the jobs. But we have the situation now where its almost a career choice for some to be on benefits. And the add-ons stem from being on Jobseekers allowance. So by getting job they loose the JSA and then the add-ons.
How can they be taking someone else's job if its vacant?, and surely there are jobs that can be done in the community like looking after gardens / parks etc?. Plus how long in reality can you spend in one day looking for a job?
I can't see how anything will change with regard to the long term unemployed unless they're pushed into it? What would you suggest?

[jusdorange]

I will give a full response later, as I am on my phone

They are "taking" the space of someone who would have otherwise been paid full time with full time wages

Thereby you make the pool of available jobs smaller

Everyone signed up, why do we need to pay John min wage when we can hire Jane for zero

However you cut it, there is less jobs than there are people, and you should not use free labour to fill the already small supply

You can't take 1,000 of FULL WAGE jobs out of the job market

Then complain that those placed out of that job can't find work either

[jusdorange]

Let me explain again

Tesco has a total of 100 jobs in a store

They hire 10 people on that scheme

Those 10 people get paid nothing from Tesco

so you've removed 10 actual full time / full pay jobs from the market

Then you also have those 10 people doing that scheme who then need to find 10 other jobs after a month

Along with the 10 people who weren't on the scheme, so you have 20 unemployed instead of 10

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Let me explain again

Tesco has a total of 100 jobs in a store

They hire 10 people on that scheme

Those 10 people get paid nothing from Tesco

so you've removed 10 actual full time / full pay jobs from the market

Then you also have those 10 people doing that scheme who then need to find 10 other jobs after a month

Along with the 10 people who weren't on the scheme, so you have 20 unemployed instead of 10

You say this, when swathes of people are migrating to the UK for employment opportunities? Are you for real?

[Zippeh]

On the benefits problem, i have no problems with there being a safety net out there for people. You never know when you might fall on hard times. What i object to are peopke using that money for booze, cigarettes, sky, drugs etc. pay benefits via a debit card type system where you can only use the money to pay for food, clothes, utilites. Just the basics allowed. Theres already a chip and pin system in place. Use that to process the payments. Jobs a goodun!

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

You say this, when swathes of people are migrating to the UK for employment opportunities? Are you for real?

What has net migration got to do with my example?

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Originally Posted by jusdorange

Let me explain again

Tesco has a total of 100 jobs in a store

They hire 10 people on that scheme

Those 10 people get paid nothing from Tesco

so you've removed 10 actual full time / full pay jobs from the market

Then you also have those 10 people doing that scheme who then need to find 10 other jobs after a month

Along with the 10 people who weren't on the scheme, so you have 20 unemployed instead of 10

Those 10 people learn skills they would not necessarily have.

It pushes people to look for paying work, as they can't sit on their unskilled welfare sucking backsides.

The UK is deficient a skilled work force. Even just people that can think.

My experience from last 2 years is about 60% of civilians are crap.

A number of people should be sterilised and prevented from breeding, therefore removing a number of problems from the gene pool.

I despair at times interviewing people, I ask some very simple questions and people struggle, that's even before I mention, engineering problems, maths, English, writing with a pen....

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Zippeh

On the benefits problem, i have no problems with there being a safety net out there for people. You never know when you might fall on hard times. What i object to are peopke using that money for booze, cigarettes, sky, drugs etc. pay benefits via a debit card type system where you can only use the money to pay for food, clothes, utilites. Just the basics allowed. Theres already a chip and pin system in place. Use that to process the payments. Jobs a goodun!

Again please use logic and reasoning

not refer to the unemployed, as beer and *** drinking lazy people

The issue with a card type system is, you make it harder for people to get out of that system

You need to spend tax money administering it

You remove small shops from operating, you'd make them unemployed due to reduction in customers

You'd have to make sure the supermarkets chosen didn't collude to inflate the prices (like nhs pricing)

Supermarkets are known for paying their tax.. Oh wait

What if you need to take the bus?

It goes on

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Those 10 people learn skills they would not necessarily have.

It pushes people to look for paying work, as they can't sit on their unskilled welfare sucking backsides.

The UK is deficient a skilled work force. Even just people that can think.

My experience from last 2 years is about 60% of civilians are crap.

A number of people should be sterilised and prevented from breeding, therefore removing a number of problems from the gene pool.

I despair at times interviewing people, I ask some very simple questions and people struggle, that's even before I mention, engineering problems, maths, English, writing with a pen....

Jesus man!!

How is no one getting this;

If Tesco and others perpurality just hire free labour, what job are you expecting to do?

[Zippeh]

Most shops have chip and pin. Like you say though, there woukd have to be some kind of cash allowance for bus / small change. I dont categorise benefit claimants as lazy. All i think is that benefits should allow a basic standard of living. Enough so people dont freeze / starve, but not so much that they can live off them and have 'luxuries'. They should be a last resort.

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Originally Posted by Zippeh

On the benefits problem, i have no problems with there being a safety net out there for people. You never know when you might fall on hard times. What i object to are peopke using that money for booze, cigarettes, sky, drugs etc. pay benefits via a debit card type system where you can only use the money to pay for food, clothes, utilites. Just the basics allowed. Theres already a chip and pin system in place. Use that to process the payments. Jobs a goodun!

Unfortunately they tried the food voucher, food card thing.

We had kosovans etc running a black market on food for booze, cigarettes.

Basically your neighbour gets your shopping, you then trade booze for food.

It was also cheaper getting people cars than paying taxi bills etc.

[jusdorange]

Or put it another way;

How would YOU feel if you got sacked (skill set aside)

And then replaced with a free person?

[73henny]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Let me explain again

Tesco has a total of 100 jobs in a store

They hire 10 people on that scheme

Those 10 people get paid nothing from Tesco

so you've removed 10 actual full time / full pay jobs from the market

Then you also have those 10 people doing that scheme who then need to find 10 other jobs after a month

Along with the 10 people who weren't on the scheme, so you have 20 unemployed instead of 10

Why is the 'scheme' paying for them? If they've got a job with Tescos, then Tescos are paying them.

What would you do to improve the situation?

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Unfortunately they tried the food voucher, food card thing.

We had kosovans etc running a black market on food for booze, cigarettes.

Basically your neighbour gets your shopping, you then trade booze for food.

It was also cheaper getting people cars than paying taxi bills etc.

Exactly!

People aren't stupid, they'll find a way around it

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Originally Posted by jusdorange

Or put it another way;

How would YOU feel if you got sacked (skill set aside)

And then replaced with a free person?

Been there done it.

There were various schemes in 80's.

As someone that interviews people I would actually look favourable on someone with that on CV, than knowing all Jeremy Kyle shows.

[Zippeh]

Originally Posted by jusdorange

Exactly!

People aren't stupid, they'll find a way around it

If only theyd apply it to work or bettering themselves

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by 73henny

Why is the 'scheme' paying for them? If they've got a job with Tescos, then Tescos are paying them.

What would you do to improve the situation?

It's UNPAID! the scheme was working 40 hours a week unpaid, for up to 8 weeks

Tesco paid the government nothing

There was no new positions, just vacant slots that would have otherwise gone to be paid employment

[Tengocity]

Why couldn't those receiving benefits do jobs that are otherwise not going to be done or are normally done by volunteers?

Lots of things come to mind- working in a charity shops, hospices, rspca centres, Etc?

I know someone who helps to rebuild footpaths for the national trust or something like that.. If he can volunteer to do that as a retired person why can't working age folk who are claiming the dole?

Answer.... Because they're lazy scrotes