[gpchamp]

Just curious, I know when I push the DSC button and activate Traction Mode, my exhaust note becomes far more aggressive while my steering and throttle response remain as if they're in Comfort. Does Traction Mode do anything with my adaptive suspension?

[im_an_alien]

Goes to comfort as well. Not sure about the exhaust note but the engine guess to comfort parameters too, power is limited with dsc off. The way I understand it, you can't be in sport or sport plus with dsc completely off, but I've been wrong a couple of times..

[BostonM235xi]

The car won't let you have DSC off and be in sport or sport plus settings. It will automatically set to Comfort. Basically for your own safety lol

[Gen13 F36]

That's why you buy a classic car, before year 2000 with no BS nannies.... those are fun times. I so miss my S14 Silvia

[jackstrath]

TBH the throttle response is pretty horrible in sport/sport+ so your not missing much, Traction mode/DSC off is a much better drive imo

[Gen13 F36]

Will a xHP trans flash help on this matter?

[im_an_alien]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

TBH the throttle response is pretty horrible in sport/sport+ so your not missing much, Traction mode/DSC off is a much better drive imo

How so... I find throttle response sharper in sport/+

[eluded]

Originally Posted by gpchamp

Does Traction Mode do anything with my adaptive suspension?

No

[jackstrath]

Originally Posted by im_an_alien

How so... I find throttle response sharper in sport/+

It just ramps in at different rates,to harsh imo and when your driving on track or fast i personally just prefer the near direct linear movement of throttle pedal vs throttle body rather than 20% throttle pedal depress = 50% throttle body open you get in sport.

[njdangelo]

Originally Posted by im_an_alien

Goes to comfort as well. Not sure about the exhaust note but the engine guess to comfort parameters too, power is limited with dsc off. The way I understand it, you can't be in sport or sport plus with dsc completely off, but I've been wrong a couple of times..

You absolutely can. Go to sport+ then hold down traction button for about 3 seconds.

[J00PTv]

Originally Posted by njdangelo

You absolutely can. Go to sport+ then hold down traction button for about 3 seconds.

I was about to say the same. in sports plus hold it some more and it will be both sports plus and traction off.

[im_an_alien]

Originally Posted by J00PTv

I was about to say the same. in sports plus hold it some more and it will be both sports plus and traction off.

It will go to comfort, both power and chassis... At least on mine.. The switch from sport to comfort on the adaptive dampers is very obvious instantly..

[im_an_alien]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

It just ramps in at different rates,to harsh imo and when your driving on track or fast i personally just prefer the near direct linear movement of throttle pedal vs throttle body rather than 20% throttle pedal depress = 50% throttle body open you get in sport.

Ah, the linearity... I see what you meant. I'm used to it I guess..

[Desertnate]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

It just ramps in at different rates,to harsh imo and when your driving on track or fast i personally just prefer the near direct linear movement of throttle pedal vs throttle body rather than 20% throttle pedal depress = 50% throttle body open you get in sport.

I agree, but find the throttle response to be a double edged sword. In Comfort it's too slow and in Sport it's too twitchy

When autocrossing, I used to put it in Sport and then take off the traction control (long DSC hold) which put the throttle back to comfort. The problem I then found was the throttle was too slow to respond, especially on a course with lots of abrupt, sharp turns that didn't allow you to carry any speed. On one event this year I ran in both modes and found Sport+ and the sharper throttle response shaved 2 seconds off my time. The car actually accelerated when I needed it to. That's the good side.

The bad side is holding the throttle steady is very hard. At an autocross event this past weekend there were two sectors of the course which allowed you to carry some speed and required a steady throttle, one of which was a long slalom. In both cases I found the throttle twitchy and had to work really hard at keeping things steady so I wouldn't disrupt the car.

In fast driving, I haven't noticed the Sport throttle setting to be bad. I actually like it better and find shifting (I have a manual) to be easier.

This is probably a long winded way of saying after playing with various settings I found Sport and Sport+ to be the best compromise for what I need and will leave it in one of those settings. Ideally I'd like an "individual" setting like what is found on Audis and M cars.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by njdangelo

You absolutely can. Go to sport+ then hold down traction button for about 3 seconds.

Originally Posted by J00PTv

I was about to say the same. in sports plus hold it some more and it will be both sports plus and traction off.

DSC off has comfort mapping for throttle. Going to Sport + first makes no difference. DSC off, traction mode, sport and sport + are all separate modes with their own settings. The only difference is DSC off does have the heavy steering.

[im_an_alien]

I need to play with these buttons some more, I have 6mt with adaptive dampers and I haven't delved into DSC settings much..

[Qsilver7]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

TBH the throttle response is pretty horrible in sport/sport+ so your not missing much, Traction mode/DSC off is a much better drive imo

Question because I've never been inside a 4 series...but if your gear shift lever has the M/S gate...if you want better throttle response when in sport or sport+ mode...then push your lever over to the left and engage DS (sport mode) for the transmission.

The M/S (manual/sport) gate has its own shift speed and RPM mapping of its own that is not initiated when only using the drive experience switch/buttons that engage the chassis, suspension, and steering. For the most extreme sport performance...you need to engage not only the sport or sport+ modes...but also move the gear shift lever over into the M/S gate...which will again, increase shift speed and RPM.

[njdangelo]

Originally Posted by kern417

DSC off has comfort mapping for throttle. Going to Sport + first makes no difference. DSC off, traction mode, sport and sport + are all separate modes with their own settings. The only difference is DSC off does have the heavy steering.

Interesting. Where did you get that information? It certainly feels like it keeps sport+ throttle mapping.

[J00PTv]

I have to go out and do some testing as It feels like I'm still in sports + and after holding the option down to turn off traction it still feels like sports plus. I will report back after some testing.

my fav way to drive the car in the city or highway is in sports mode only, gear on D. high enough rpm but not too aggressive.

[J00PTv]

btw I'm not sure if it's different from car to car, mine is a 2016 340i m sport, track handling and all. just no lane keeping assist added.

[jackstrath]

Originally Posted by Qsilver7

Question because I've never been inside a 4 series...but if your gear shift lever has the M/S gate...if you want better throttle response when in sport or sport+ mode...then push your lever over to the left and engage DS (sport mode) for the transmission.

The M/S (manual/sport) gate has its own shift speed and RPM mapping of its own that is not initiated when only using the drive experience switch/buttons that engage the chassis, suspension, and steering. For the most extreme sport performance...you need to engage not only the sport or sport+ modes...but also move the gear shift lever over into the M/S gate...which will again, increase shift speed and RPM.

Im not on about shift speed/RPM, its the actual relation between throttle pedal position and throttle body position. Moving the shifter into S/M just raises the RPM shift points and speeds them up, the shifter has no input to TPP other than how it shifts (for example in M mode if your under about 25% throttle it will soft shift and not grab a gear as quick as it can).

[Qsilver7]

Originally Posted by jackstrath

Im not on about shift speed/RPM, its the actual relation between throttle pedal position and throttle body position. Moving the shifter into S/M just raises the RPM shift points and speeds them up, the shifter has no input to TPP other than how it shifts (for example in M mode if your under about 25% throttle it will soft shift and not grab a gear as quick as it can).

Originally Posted by njdangelo

Interesting. Where did you get that information? It certainly feels like it keeps sport+ throttle mapping.

Where? The f30 3 series forum. And the basic principle of the technology should carry over into other models with the same or similar technology.

The throttle mapping is the same...but the gear shift gate has been an extreme sport mode based only on the transmission going back to the e38/e39 days and STEPTRONIC. The basic principle of the gear shift lever's sport mode is still the same...its a quick way to get more from the engine's power by increasing the transmission's shift speed and shift RPM. For example, if at a light and you want or feel the need to do a quick "get-a-way"...its easier and quicker just to move the gear shift into the M/S gate and hit the pedal...especially if you're going mostly in a straight line and really don't need to bring the suspension and steering etc into the equation. You can then quickly go back to D if you don't need the transmission to remain in sport mode.

You can see in the chart below how the different gear shift lever positions and the drive mode/experience switch button affect steering, suspension, & transmission shift & RPM etc: