[SW6Steve]

As said 335s are x drive
I have a 330d with mppk and absolutely love the car! But I have a quaife lsd and that makes a difference.
335d are 313hp, but have extra weight, that negates some of the power difference, and suspension that makes the car look like it's going to fall over in a bend!
330d mppk has around 290hp., which is enough power for real time driving with s drive, imho!

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

A remapped / mppk 330d doesn't make a 335d tho. Horses for courses and all that but you're still missing that all important 2nd turbo that gives the 335d the relentless shove from what feels like any revs.

I owned a 330d (E90) which was mapped and it was a great car, but even in the dry, a heavy right foot would unsettle the traction control. I imagine the Fxx series would be the same. Power is great only if you can exploit it.

Of course if you get a 335d, then you could remap that too and have significantly more performance, especially with a drive train that can put the power down in all conditions 👍

Disclaimer: you have to be willing to drive a car that looks like it's on stilts (unless you fit lowering springs of course).

An MPPK doesn't make it quite as quick as a 335d no but some stage1 remaps (320bhp+) make the sDrive F30 330d actually quicker from rolling in the dry than a 335d
I know for a fact that my own car which is tuned to around 325bhp and 660nm torque is quicker than a stock 335d at both 50-75 and 60-100mph.
Of course you can always remap a 335d though too and make that even quicker.

[Bigyin1314]

😉 I started that post wondering if I'd get any bites but to no avail.

Quite agree that a stage 1 330d could give a stock 335d a serious fright whilst rolling (weather dependant of course &#128539. What I meant was the thing I like best about the 35d engine is the way it delivers the power, no amount of mapping can account for a second turbo. I really like the linear power delivery it gives.

Tbh I agree that a mapped 330d is all the car you'd probably ever need. However who wants what you need, I want MORE!! 😝.

And of course there's always the possibility to map the 35d.

As for the handling, I can't comment on the 335d, but my 435d in sport mode (I have adaptive) doesn't roll very much at all, yet when pottering about in comfort it's exactly that, comfortable (am getting old and broken). I'm more than happy with the way it handles, which is why I haven't changed the springs. It's a function over form thing, as the lower stance looks soo much better!

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

😉 I started that post wondering if I'd get any bites but to no avail.

Quite agree that a stage 1 330d could give a stock 335d a serious fright whilst rolling (weather dependant of course &#128539. What I meant was the thing I like best about the 35d engine is the way it delivers the power, no amount of mapping can account for a second turbo. I really like the linear power delivery it gives.

Tbh I agree that a mapped 330d is all the car you'd probably ever need. However who wants what you need, I want MORE!! 😝.

And of course there's always the possibility to map the 35d.

As for the handling, I can't comment on the 335d, but my 435d in sport mode (I have adaptive) doesn't roll very much at all, yet when pottering about in comfort it's exactly that, comfortable (am getting old and broken). I'm more than happy with the way it handles, which is why I haven't changed the springs. It's a function over form thing, as the lower stance looks soo much better!

I know what you mean about the way the 35d delivers its power with its 2 turbos, and if that's important to you you've chosen the right car, but I'll personally take the almost half a second quicker over 60-100mph my car does vs a stock 335d instead

Suspension wise I'm not keen on how high the car sits on SE suspension so would be looking at changing the springs if I had xdrive.

For me the reasons for going for a 330d over a 335d were firstly I didn't want xdrive (I'm not going into all the reasons now though, but there's a few) and buying a car that was just over 3 years old it was a few grand cheaper for a 330d with similar spec and mileage.

[330XDave]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

😉 I started that post wondering if I'd get any bites but to no avail.

Quite agree that a stage 1 330d could give a stock 335d a serious fright whilst rolling (weather dependant of course &#128539. What I meant was the thing I like best about the 35d engine is the way it delivers the power, no amount of mapping can account for a second turbo. I really like the linear power delivery it gives.

Tbh I agree that a mapped 330d is all the car you'd probably ever need. However who wants what you need, I want MORE!! 😝.

And of course there's always the possibility to map the 35d.

As for the handling, I can't comment on the 335d, but my 435d in sport mode (I have adaptive) doesn't roll very much at all, yet when pottering about in comfort it's exactly that, comfortable (am getting old and broken). I'm more than happy with the way it handles, which is why I haven't changed the springs. It's a function over form thing, as the lower stance looks soo much better!

Have you ever driven a remapped 330d? I can't imagine how much more linear power delivery could be than in mine - just one big surge of torque from down low all the way up to 4000rpm at least I would say.

[Bigyin1314]

Originally Posted by 330XDave

Have you ever driven a remapped 330d? I can't imagine how much more linear power delivery could be than in mine - just one big surge of torque from down low all the way up to 4000rpm at least I would say.

I have owned and driven a 330d, both stock and mapped. Being very clear here, At no point am I saying that's it's no good. However if you feel that it has a linear power delivery then I seriously suggest you try a 35d. The 30d engine, stock or otherwise is still one turbo spooling up and the it quite simply has perceivable lag. The 35d engine has a small turbo which eliminates a large proportion of that, no amount of mapping can cover a hardware issue.

As for the 1/2 second quicker, I'm sure I'll live without that insurmountable increase in performance 😜.

I agree on the springs tho, but purely from an aesthetics point of view. That and my front splitter would hit everything if it was lower lol

I actually keep going over whether to map mine or not, everything Ive read suggests it's a game changer, but for my use I'm honestly not sure if I'd use it. Most of the time I'm either driving to and from work on the daily commute or I've got the wife / kids in the car. All that being said..... who doesn't want more! 😀

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

I have owned and driven a 330d, both stock and mapped. Being very clear here, At no point am I saying that's it's no good. However if you feel that it has a linear power delivery then I seriously suggest you try a 35d. The 30d engine, stock or otherwise is still one turbo spooling up and the it quite simply has perceivable lag. The 35d engine has a small turbo which eliminates a large proportion of that, no amount of mapping can cover a hardware issue.

As for the 1/2 second quicker, I'm sure I'll live without that insurmountable increase in performance 😜.

I agree on the springs tho, but purely from an aesthetics point of view. That and my front splitter would hit everything if it was lower lol

I actually keep going over whether to map mine or not, everything Ive read suggests it's a game changer, but for my use I'm honestly not sure if I'd use it. Most of the time I'm either driving to and from work on the daily commute or I've got the wife / kids in the car. All that being said..... who doesn't want more! 😀

Dont forget your old 330d was an E90 so either 6 speed auto or manual, the F30 330d with the zf 8 speed has no noticeable lag in sport mode at all as it's keeps the revs at a level for instant boost and acceleration. The 35d will benefit more at the lower revs of comfort mode though due to the small turbo, giving a more linear power deliver rather than the more noticeable off boost to on boost of the single turbo in the 30d at low revs. Remapping a 330d well of course improves how linear the power delivery is though, ..if it's tuned well it holds the torque level better higher up the rev range giving a flatter power curve.

Do it, if you didn't want more you would have gone for the 420d instead

[330XDave]

How can you compare an E90 330d to a F30 330d? Different engine and gearbox!

[Bigyin1314]

Sorry, should have been more specific. I have owned a 330d (e90) and driven both stock 330d F30 and a mapped F32 430d. I then bought a F36 435d. Hope that clears it up.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

Sorry, should have been more specific. I have owned a 330d (e90) and driven both stock 330d F30 and a mapped F32 430d. I then bought a F36 435d. Hope that clears it up.

I will say then if the mapped F32 you have driven had any lag in sport mode then there was something wrong with the car.
Also not all maps are equal, some remaps give a big wallop of low down torque that falls off quickly where others have a more linear power curve holding the torque more higher up the rev range.

[330XDave]

Originally Posted by Hooded

I will say then if the mapped F32 you have driven had any lag in sport mode then there was something wrong with the car.
Also not all maps are equal, some remaps give a big wallop of low down torque that falls off quickly where others have a more linear power curve holding the torque more higher up the rev range.

Exactly that. Simon at Emaps spoke in length about how he writes his map to deliver a linear but restricted (compared to some tuners) torque curve. This is to not only improve driveability but also protect the gearbox.

[Bigyin1314]

Wow, looks like I did get a bite. 😛

I said, the 330d has perceivable lag and the 335 has this lessened due to the smaller turbo. You can argue and justify all you want with maps and sport mode etc but if you are saying that the 30d has NO lag then I'm sorry but we're never gonna agree. It has perceivable lag, the 35d engine has less.

That's my stance, if you're not in agreement that the so be it, we'll agree to disagree and we'll both still be happy with what we've got. 👍

Edit: off boost / on boost is a fine way of describing it. The off boost nature of the 330d is greater than that of the 35d, which is why I preferred the 35d.

[330XDave]

30d max torque is from 1500rpm

35d from 1750rpm

I'd hardly say that indicates perceivable lag over the 35d.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Bigyin1314

Wow, looks like I did get a bite. 😛

I said, the 330d has perceivable lag and the 335 has this lessened due to the smaller turbo. You can argue and justify all you want with maps and sport mode etc but if you are saying that the 30d has NO lag then I'm sorry but we're never gonna agree. It has perceivable lag, the 35d engine has less.

That's my stance, if you're not in agreement that the so be it, we'll agree to disagree and we'll both still be happy with what we've got. 👍

Edit: off boost / on boost is a fine way of describing it. The off boost nature of the 330d is greater than that of the 35d, which is why I preferred the 35d.

I can agree with what you are trying to say if we are talking about pottering around in manual mode with the revs at 1300rpm. Then If you suddenly put your foot down the smaller low down turbo of the 35d gives a more smoother linear feeling, and the 30d suddenly takes off at around 1500/1600rpm when it comes on boost fully giving more of a noticeable off boost/on boost feel.

I think what you don't seem to understand though is that if you have 660nm of max torque (remapped) and the sport auto box when in sport mode and the stick left keeps the revs up a bit where it's on boost there should be no noticeable lag. There certainly isn't on my own car anyway. Perhaps my car has a better map on it than the F32 you have driven

[SkyJawa]

I had a mppk 330d, I now have a remapped 335d. I would take the latter over the former any day, it’s relentless from any point you put your foot down and is seriously quick, a fair bit quicker than my old m140i too.....

As has been said the power delivery on the 335d imho is much better tho I do also have the alpina gearbox flash.

[330XDave]

Mppk 330d v remapped 335d is a fair old difference though - at least 60bhp could be more like 80bhp!

[Taylos]

Quick update - I'm booked in for a remap with Evolve in a couple of weeks. Will report back after.

[430MAGIC]

Originally Posted by Taylos

Quick update - I'm booked in for a remap with Evolve in a couple of weeks. Will report back after.

Getting this done in the next couple of weeks when I can fit it around my work schedule.

It's a toss-up between Simon@ Emaps - quoted me £375 yesterday that includes him traveling to SE London and Evolve.

Evolve are a lot closer to me and I will get a dyno readout. They're about £450.

I like that fact Simon has such a good reputation so I'm leaning towards that option but I like the dyno opportunity as well...

Will make a decision and book by Tuesday.

[Taylos]

Originally Posted by 430MAGIC

Getting this done in the next couple of weeks when I can fit it around my work schedule.

It's a toss-up between Simon@ Emaps - quoted me £375 yesterday that includes him traveling to SE London and Evolve.

Evolve are a lot closer to me and I will get a dyno readout. They're about £450.

I like that fact Simon has such a good reputation so I'm leaning towards that option but I like the dyno opportunity as well...

Will make a decision and book by Tuesday.

I had a toss up between the same two. Ended up going for Evolve for two reasons:

- the before and after dyno (nice, but not essential)
- free reinstatement of the map if it gets overwritten and less distance to travel to get it done.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Taylos

I had a toss up between the same two. Ended up going for Evolve for two reasons:

- the before and after dyno (nice, but not essential)
- free reinstatement of the map if it gets overwritten and less distance to travel to get it done.

Evolve maps make good power on the x30d

[Assassin]

+1 for Simon at E-maps. My previous 535d M-Sport did 90k+ with his 350bhp/700nm map on it and drove great with no issues and good fuel consumption.

Can't rate him high enough as he has responded to several other questions I asked him over the years. It was done as part of a group buy in Glasgow (yes bonnie Scotland) many years ago. Get a few of your pals together and organise a group buy and he will do you a great deal and travel to you. You will not be disappointed.

For the record......I am not connected to Simon in any way. I would use him for my current 335d X-drive if he still travelled up here.

[flashollie]

Have any of you guys with 330d or 335d remaps improved your braking performance?

If you have what have you done?