M Performance Exhaust Question

J00PTv · 08-13-2019, 05:24 PM

Hi guys,
Last Sat i went into the dealer to pick up a CPO 2016 BMW 340i Xdrive, another sales person sold the car the night before and i never got to even see the car. Thought it was not the car for me, Today the sales person reached out again saying he has another CPO 2016 340i Xdrive with the M Performance Exhaust, i know that does not give more power as i read that but i keep seeing people talking about a Drone...what is this drone they are talking about? Anyone currently with the M Performance Exhaust...how do you like it? worth the extra bucks? Car is at 35k pre tax and fees. Pics coming as soon as they detail it.

BeerHerder · 08-13-2019, 05:37 PM

I can't comment about the drone, but $35k seems high for a 2016. I'm seeing a bunch of 340 2016's around us (Chicago) in the $26k - $30k range.
Unless it's got every option and like 10k miles.

esoj37 · 08-13-2019, 05:39 PM

You will have no drone with the M performance exhaust, specially if you are keeping the catalytic converter and the stock midpipe. The M performance exhaust is actually pretty sought after, powers gains wont be noticeable from it, but it sounds good, check out some youtube videos.

As far as what drone is when it comes to aftermarket exhausts, well, a quick google search will help you with that

J00PTv · 08-13-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerHerder

I can't comment about the drone, but $35k seems high for a 2016. I'm seeing a bunch of 340 2016's around us (Chicago) in the $26k - $30k range.
Unless it's got every option and like 10k miles.

I'm in Chicago my self, the ones that sell under 30k are just the basic 340i xdrive. i at least wanted to settle for the M Package. I also wanted one that had CPO and under 30k miles. waiting for a good catch, i also thought 35k was expensive knowing 2020 is just around the corner. Still have to find out if they would move on the price a bit.

ronanz · 08-13-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by esoj37

You will have no drone with the M performance exhaust, specially if you are keeping the catalytic converter and the stock midpipe. The M performance exhaust is actually pretty sought after, powers gains wont be noticeable from it, but it sounds good, check out some youtube videos.

As far as what drone is when it comes to aftermarket exhausts, well, a quick google search will help you with that

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esoj37 · 08-13-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

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Originally Posted by BeerHerder

I can't comment about the drone, but $35k seems high for a 2016. I'm seeing a bunch of 340 2016's around us (Chicago) in the $26k - $30k range.
Unless it's got every option and like 10k miles.

I'm in Chicago my self, the ones that sell under 30k are just the basic 340i xdrive. i at least wanted to settle for the M Package. I also wanted one that had CPO and under 30k miles. waiting for a good catch, i also thought 35k was expensive knowing 2020 is just around the corner. Still have to find out if they would move on the price a bit.

Yeah, bro. M package is a must imo.

johnung · 08-13-2019, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

Hi guys,
Last Sat i went into the dealer to pick up a CPO 2016 BMW 340i Xdrive, another sales person sold the car the night before and i never got to even see the car. Thought it was not the car for me, Today the sales person reached out again saying he has another CPO 2016 340i Xdrive with the M Performance Exhaust, i know that does not give more power as i read that but i keep seeing people talking about a Drone...what is this drone they are talking about? Anyone currently with the M Performance Exhaust...how do you like it? worth the extra bucks? Car is at 35k pre tax and fees. Pics coming as soon as they detail it.

I've got the M Performance exhaust on my 335i and it's awesome. Definitely worth it and probably the most talked about add on exhaust. Drone is what you get if you try a muffler-delete exhaust. Not something for you to worry about with an MP. Go for it!

oksymoroni · 08-13-2019, 09:33 PM

Another Chicago F30 owner here. I think the drone you read about is probably from people with the full MPPSK exhaust. I have one on my car and it does drone slightly at highway speeds when in sport mode.

Nucker007 · 08-14-2019, 02:56 AM

My girlfriend's brother has the MPE and I've never experienced any drone at all. It's an ideal exhaust for people who want something fun, but not over the top, plus it helps with resale value so it's a nice add-on for sure.

zeenon53 · 08-14-2019, 10:45 AM

$35k seems a bit steep. I just picked up my 2016 340i xdrive msport in blue with 24k for $31k about 3 months ago.

jh_f30 · 08-14-2019, 11:39 AM

Can't speak on the price as I'm not shopping, and hence, not up to date on the current market, but basically, to add to what others have said, drone is when a particular resonance from the exhaust system makes its way to the cabin at certain engine speeds. Typically found when cruising on the highway at relatively low rpm.

The M Performance exhaust is actually just a muffler upgrade (aka, an axleback). Typically, drone becomes an issue when the piping in front of the muffler starts getting changed, ie. the resonator, midpipe, and downpipe. As long as those parts of the exhaust haven't been modified, there shouldn't be an issue with drone. However, everyone's tastes and tolerances for NVH can vary.

J00PTv · 08-14-2019, 12:42 PM

I will bring up good points to see if they can drop the price at least 1k more. The price is the only thing holding me back!

Desertnate · 08-14-2019, 03:34 PM

Isn't there a difference between the MPPK exhaust and the MPPSK exhaust?

The M Performance exhaust which came on my 435 as part of the MPPK has no drone and produces a nice subdued exhaust note. However I drove a 340 a while ago and it was very different. The exhaust was louder (didn't drone) but it also popped and bubbled pretty loudly when you lifted the the throttle in sport mode. Was this simply due to difference between the N55 and B58 MPPK's or is there the possibility of two different M Performance exhausts available?

I only ask for the OP's education (and mine). I like my exhaust, but wasn't too fond of the one on the 340 I mentioned.

msk340i · 08-14-2019, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

Hi guys,
Last Sat i went into the dealer to pick up a CPO 2016 BMW 340i Xdrive, another sales person sold the car the night before and i never got to even see the car. Thought it was not the car for me, Today the sales person reached out again saying he has another CPO 2016 340i Xdrive with the M Performance Exhaust, i know that does not give more power as i read that but i keep seeing people talking about a Drone...what is this drone they are talking about? Anyone currently with the M Performance Exhaust...how do you like it? worth the extra bucks? Car is at 35k pre tax and fees. Pics coming as soon as they detail it.

WHAAAAAT?!?!? $35K for a 2016? If I were you I would worry more about the price than the drone!

J00PTv · 08-14-2019, 04:56 PM

I suck at price negotiating, seems like the answer is always "someone else is coming to see it also" the last one I waited for the price drop and before it did someone else bought it. Give me pointers fellas!

jh_f30 · 08-14-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Desertnate

Isn't there a difference between the MPPK exhaust and the MPPSK exhaust?

The M Performance exhaust which came on my 435 as part of the MPPK has no drone and produces a nice subdued exhaust note. However I drove a 340 a while ago and it was very different. The exhaust was louder (didn't drone) but it also popped and bubbled pretty loudly when you lifted the the throttle in sport mode. Was this simply due to difference between the N55 and B58 MPPK's or is there the possibility of two different M Performance exhausts available?

I only ask for the OP's education (and mine). I like my exhaust, but wasn't too fond of the one on the 340 I mentioned.

MPPK on pre-LCI N55 was a mild factory ecu time and a modified air intake box (basically, there was a hole punched in it); M Performance exhaust was sold separately. MPPSK was introduced on the LCI B58 platform which included the tune and the MPE. The difference in sound is likely a combination of it being a completely different engine and thus a different tune. There are possibly some structural differences between the MPEs between pre-LCI and LCI, but I would guess it's minimal. More likely a result of the B58, which has also been tuned for lots of burbles and pops in the new Z4/Supra.

OP doesn't mention anything about MPPSK being installed on the car he's looking at, but if it does, it's like a $3k add on, which could make the pricing make a little more sense.

J00PTv · 08-14-2019, 06:32 PM

Here are Some pictures he sent me, car has not yet been detailed. Not sure if the Exhaust was installed after the car was bought, i will find out and report back.

BWbimmer · 08-15-2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

Here are Some pictures he sent me, car has not yet been detailed. Not sure if the Exhaust was installed after the car was bought, i will find out and report back.

This is how to determine the MPPSK exhaust. The "normal" performance exhaust is quite moderable
The tips don't make it 100% certain.

More details here:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1304356

BeerHerder · 08-15-2019, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

I suck at price negotiating, seems like the answer is always "someone else is coming to see it also" the last one I waited for the price drop and before it did someone else bought it. Give me pointers fellas!

Check out cargurus.com. Put in exactly what you're looking for and go from there. If you actually live in Chicago, you're going to get whacked with the additional tax and it doesn't matter what dealer you buy from. There are a bunch available around us in the high $20's low 30's. They all have pictures, so you might have to search a bit to find one with M sport package. Or if you want, I can give you the name and contact info of a guy at Bill Jacobs BMW in Naperville and see if he can find what you're looking for.

J00PTv · 08-15-2019, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerHerder

Check out cargurus.com. Put in exactly what you're looking for and go from there. If you actually live in Chicago, you're going to get whacked with the additional tax and it doesn't matter what dealer you buy from. There are a bunch available around us in the high $20's low 30's. They all have pictures, so you might have to search a bit to find one with M sport package. Or if you want, I can give you the name and contact info of a guy at Bill Jacobs BMW in Naperville and see if he can find what you're looking for.

I was actually looking to stop by bill Jacobs BMW dealer this weekend, they do have a few options in stock. Who's your contact there maybe I can go through him.

BeerHerder · 08-15-2019, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by J00PTv

I was actually looking to stop by bill Jacobs BMW dealer this weekend, they do have a few options in stock. Who's your contact there maybe I can go through him.

PM sent!

jamesdak · 08-15-2019, 01:07 PM

I got this a couple of months ago for $34,000 even and only a tad over 10,000 miles.

340xi Msport with cold weather, driver assist, lighting, M Sport, Tech, Track Handling, 19" wheels, etc.

Talk 'em down on price. MSRP on mine was 62,450 and they had it listed at 37,995 as a CPO car. One owner lease vehicle.

08-13-2019, 05:24 PM	#1
J00PTv Private First Class 34 Rep 117 Posts Drives: Mercedes e320 4matic Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	M Performance Exhaust Question Hi guys, Last Sat i went into the dealer to pick up a CPO 2016 BMW 340i Xdrive, another sales person sold the car the night before and i never got to even see the car. Thought it was not the car for me, Today the sales person reached out again saying he has another CPO 2016 340i Xdrive with the M Performance Exhaust, i know that does not give more power as i read that but i keep seeing people talking about a Drone...what is this drone they are talking about? Anyone currently with the M Performance Exhaust...how do you like it? worth the extra bucks? Car is at 35k pre tax and fees. Pics coming as soon as they detail it.
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BeerHerder Lieutenant 251 Rep 426 Posts Drives: F30 335, G01 X3, Victory Vegas Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: IL iTrader: (1)	I can't comment about the drone, but $35k seems high for a 2016. I'm seeing a bunch of 340 2016's around us (Chicago) in the $26k - $30k range. Unless it's got every option and like 10k miles. __________________ Glacier Silver Metallic 335i X-Drive - Can't leave well enough alone... Fabspeed DP, Wagner Evo Comp II IC, ER CP, BM3 Stage 2 93 OTS, Bimmertech Amp (more to come... always more) Graphite Metallic X3 (nothing yet, but... you know)
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esoj37 Lieutenant 156 Rep 461 Posts Drives: M2C 6MT Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New Orleans iTrader: (12)	You will have no drone with the M performance exhaust, specially if you are keeping the catalytic converter and the stock midpipe. The M performance exhaust is actually pretty sought after, powers gains wont be noticeable from it, but it sounds good, check out some youtube videos. As far as what drone is when it comes to aftermarket exhausts, well, a quick google search will help you with that __________________ HS S55 F87 MG B58 F30 - Gone MG N20 F30 - Gone
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oksymoroni Second Lieutenant 250 Rep 233 Posts Drives: 2017 340i Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	Another Chicago F30 owner here. I think the drone you read about is probably from people with the full MPPSK exhaust. I have one on my car and it does drone slightly at highway speeds when in sport mode.
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Nucker007 New Member 2 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 2015 428i Gran Coupe Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	My girlfriend's brother has the MPE and I've never experienced any drone at all. It's an ideal exhaust for people who want something fun, but not over the top, plus it helps with resale value so it's a nice add-on for sure.
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08-14-2019, 10:45 AM	#10
zeenon53 Major 39 Rep 1,154 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: obx iTrader: (3)	$35k seems a bit steep. I just picked up my 2016 340i xdrive msport in blue with 24k for $31k about 3 months ago. __________________ 2016 340i xdrive 2009 335i
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08-14-2019, 11:39 AM	#11
jh_f30 Lieutenant Colonel 1306 Rep 1,827 Posts Drives: 2013 335i Sportline Auto RWD Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	Can't speak on the price as I'm not shopping, and hence, not up to date on the current market, but basically, to add to what others have said, drone is when a particular resonance from the exhaust system makes its way to the cabin at certain engine speeds. Typically found when cruising on the highway at relatively low rpm. The M Performance exhaust is actually just a muffler upgrade (aka, an axleback). Typically, drone becomes an issue when the piping in front of the muffler starts getting changed, ie. the resonator, midpipe, and downpipe. As long as those parts of the exhaust haven't been modified, there shouldn't be an issue with drone. However, everyone's tastes and tolerances for NVH can vary. __________________ 2013 F30 335i RWD ZF Melbourne Red ~Remus Sport Axleback~VRSF Chargepipe~VRSF Catless Downpipe~GPlus FMIC~HR Sport Springs~Active Autowerke OBD Flash Tune Stage 2~
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J00PTv Private First Class 34 Rep 117 Posts Drives: Mercedes e320 4matic Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	I will bring up good points to see if they can drop the price at least 1k more. The price is the only thing holding me back!
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Desertnate Captain 391 Rep 849 Posts Drives: BMW 435i Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Swansea, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 BMW 435i [0.00]	Isn't there a difference between the MPPK exhaust and the MPPSK exhaust? The M Performance exhaust which came on my 435 as part of the MPPK has no drone and produces a nice subdued exhaust note. However I drove a 340 a while ago and it was very different. The exhaust was louder (didn't drone) but it also popped and bubbled pretty loudly when you lifted the the throttle in sport mode. Was this simply due to difference between the N55 and B58 MPPK's or is there the possibility of two different M Performance exhausts available? I only ask for the OP's education (and mine). I like my exhaust, but wasn't too fond of the one on the 340 I mentioned.
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J00PTv Private First Class 34 Rep 117 Posts Drives: Mercedes e320 4matic Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	I suck at price negotiating, seems like the answer is always "someone else is coming to see it also" the last one I waited for the price drop and before it did someone else bought it. Give me pointers fellas!
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J00PTv Private First Class 34 Rep 117 Posts Drives: Mercedes e320 4matic Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	Here are Some pictures he sent me, car has not yet been detailed. Not sure if the Exhaust was installed after the car was bought, i will find out and report back. Attached Images
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jamesdak New Member 17 Rep 29 Posts Drives: 340i with M Sport packages! Join Date: May 2019 Location: Utah iTrader: (0)	I got this a couple of months ago for $34,000 even and only a tad over 10,000 miles. 340xi Msport with cold weather, driver assist, lighting, M Sport, Tech, Track Handling, 19" wheels, etc. Talk 'em down on price. MSRP on mine was 62,450 and they had it listed at 37,995 as a CPO car. One owner lease vehicle.
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