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      10-19-2014, 02:26 PM   #67
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Guess I should have ordered DHP.

Am I supposed to turn my car in now for destruction? Where do I go to do that? Can I just change the badge to something else?
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I just got a F33 428 X drive without the DHP. Having tested a AWD vert with DHP but not the M sports suspension, loved the handling but hated the VSS steering that comes with the DHP package. When I got my car, I was pleasantly surprised with the chassis handling which seemed identical to the 15 minutes I had spent at the dealer a couple of months ago in an F33 with DHP.

Now I am confused and I hope you can enlighten me. My understanding was with DHP you got the Sports and Sports+ driving mode (in addition to Eco-Pro and Comfort) and the ability in iDrive to choose Drivetrain, Chassis or both. To my pleasant surprise my car has all that and after a couple of weeks of testing various combinations, Sports with both drivetrain and chassis engaged is a huge upgrade in performance and appears very similar in my recollection to my test drive in a DHP equipped F33. This is what I use virtually all the time except on bad roads. Without chassis checked, Sports mode improves transmission points and has a slightly tighter steering but when Chassis is checked is dramatically stiffer. Note, I don't have the M Sports suspension which I understand is very similar to DHP.
So then, what does DHP (forget the steering part) do that the base vehicle does not? I understand DHP has continuous adjustment of the shocks and other suspension parts in reaction to road conditions. Perhaps the non-DHP vehicles don't have that, however, given my admittedly brief experience with the DHP car, I can recall no real difference.

In addition, I had thought you needed DHP to have the option to choose drivetrain/chassis combinations in Sports mode. This is obviously not correct. Is it possible that BMW has added the DHP chassis parts as standard on 2015 models, perhaps on X drive cars only? I have the F33.

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I had also always thought that if you saw chassis and transmission options in idrive then you have DHP. If you feel a change in the suspension (which you should be easily able to tell as you toggle between sport and comfort as you are driving) then you have DHP. You can look at your shocks and if there is a wire going to them then you have DHP. I've seen a few sample pictures of said wire on this forum if you search around.
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I had also always thought that if you saw chassis and transmission options in idrive then you have DHP. If you feel a change in the suspension (which you should be easily able to tell as you toggle between sport and comfort as you are driving) then you have DHP. You can look at your shocks and if there is a wire going to them then you have DHP. I've seen a few sample pictures of said wire on this forum if you search around.
DHP doesn't add those abilities in idrive. It simply adds electronic dampers (and in the US, VSS). The only tell will be the wire that's mentioned. No matter the mode you're in, those dampers will adjust the stiffness of the suspension in response to the road conditions. They don't care what mode you're in, they just do their thing. The upshot, at least in my test drives, was that it made the standard comfort mode softer and standard sport mode stiffer and more responsive, both good things in my book.

Whether or not this has changed for 2015, I don't know. I added the DHP package to my F31 build, but the car hasn't arrived yet, so I can't say for sure. I will say that I doubt they would add the electronic dampers to all models or lines willy-nilly.

EDIT: another note. xDrive cars don't get the sport suspension whether they are m-sport line or otherwise. I think those models benefit the most from DHP. RWD cars with the sport suspension probably don't gain a lot from DHP, but I can't confirm that firsthand.
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      11-08-2014, 07:59 AM   #72
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You should check the sticker, because it sounds like you have DHP.

Without DHP, you will not have the options to change the characteristics of the car (chassis/Drivetrain) in iDrive menus. You WILL have Sport and Sport+ Toggle switch options w/Sportline and M-Sport models, but not the other DHP handling changes.

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In addition, I had thought you needed DHP to have the option to choose drivetrain/chassis combinations in Sports mode. This is obviously not correct. Is it possible that BMW has added the DHP chassis parts as standard on 2015 models, perhaps on X drive cars only? I have the F33.

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If you have adaptive dampers, you must have DHP!
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      11-08-2014, 08:32 AM   #74
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You should check the sticker, because it sounds like you have DHP.

Without DHP, you will not have the options to change the characteristics of the car (chassis/Drivetrain) in iDrive menus. You WILL have Sport and Sport+ Toggle switch options w/Sportline and M-Sport models, but not the other DHP handling changes.
Definitely did not pay for DHP and my build does not show the DHP codes, just the sports transmission. Also from what I can see through the wheelwell with the wheel turned all the way is a wire (or wires) going into the dampers.
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Hey good for you!! You got DHP for free!

They must've felt bad knowing you ordered an Xdrive model without DHP and threw it in for free because they couldn't bear the disappointment.

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Definitely did not pay for DHP and my build does not show the DHP codes, just the sports transmission. Also from what I can see through the wheelwell with the wheel turned all the way is a wire (or wires) going into the dampers.
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You should check the sticker, because it sounds like you have DHP.

Without DHP, you will not have the options to change the characteristics of the car (chassis/Drivetrain) in iDrive menus. You WILL have Sport and Sport+ Toggle switch options w/Sportline and M-Sport models, but not the other DHP handling changes.
Definitely did not pay for DHP and my build does not show the DHP codes, just the sports transmission. Also from what I can see through the wheelwell with the wheel turned all the way is a wire (or wires) going into the dampers.
That wire is the giveaway. You have electronic dampers. Sounds like you got a freebie. I honestly don't see why they don't just add those to every m-sport model with xdrive anyways, although I know some people don't like or want them.
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I just got a F33 428 X drive without the DHP. Having tested a AWD vert with DHP but not the M sports suspension, loved the handling but hated the VSS steering that comes with the DHP package. When I got my car, I was pleasantly surprised with the chassis handling which seemed identical to the 15 minutes I had spent at the dealer a couple of months ago in an F33 with DHP.

Now I am confused and I hope you can enlighten me. My understanding was with DHP you got the Sports and Sports+ driving mode (in addition to Eco-Pro and Comfort) and the ability in iDrive to choose Drivetrain, Chassis or both. To my pleasant surprise my car has all that and after a couple of weeks of testing various combinations, Sports with both drivetrain and chassis engaged is a huge upgrade in performance and appears very similar in my recollection to my test drive in a DHP equipped F33. This is what I use virtually all the time except on bad roads. Without chassis checked, Sports mode improves transmission points and has a slightly tighter steering but when Chassis is checked is dramatically stiffer. Note, I don't have the M Sports suspension which I understand is very similar to DHP.
So then, what does DHP (forget the steering part) do that the base vehicle does not? I understand DHP has continuous adjustment of the shocks and other suspension parts in reaction to road conditions. Perhaps the non-DHP vehicles don't have that, however, given my admittedly brief experience with the DHP car, I can recall no real difference.

In addition, I had thought you needed DHP to have the option to choose drivetrain/chassis combinations in Sports mode. This is obviously not correct. Is it possible that BMW has added the DHP chassis parts as standard on 2015 models, perhaps on X drive cars only? I have the F33.

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At the end, a car with DHP will drive totally like a different animal than a car without DHP, especially on a X-Drive.
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I just got a 428i sportline. It doesn't say DHP on the sticker, but does that come with the sportline package? I have the option in my idrive to turn on and off the "chassis" and "drivetrain" or "both" in the sport mode and a bunch of options in the eco mode as well. When I turn on sport or sport+ mode the car turns into a beast. Is this DHP or is that something more on top of this as well?
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I just got a 428i sportline. It doesn't say DHP on the sticker, but does that come with the sportline package? I have the option in my idrive to turn on and off the "chassis" and "drivetrain" or "both" in the sport mode and a bunch of options in the eco mode as well. When I turn on sport or sport+ mode the car turns into a beast. Is this DHP or is that something more on top of this as well?
You may feel the extra torque but with DHP the steering feel and cornering feel are more stiff/firm/less bodyroll.
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I def also feel a big difference in stiff/firm/bodyroll as well. No question about it. I assume that's the "chassis" option on the sport mode. I just dont know if this is different than the DHP chassis setting.
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Think you guys are mixing up DHP (Dynamic Handling Package), which is a Package just like say the Technology Package, which come with certain things like variable steering etc. VS "Adaptive Suspension" (M or otherwise), which is the computer controlled Dampening system, that reads thhe road conditions and "Adapts" the suspension to give you the best ride possible. DHP may or may not have Adaptive Suspension, depends on your market.
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Think you guys are mixing up DHP (Dynamic Handling Package), which is a Package just like say the Technology Package, which come with certain things like variable steering etc. VS "Adaptive Suspension" (M or otherwise), which is the computer controlled Dampening system, that reads thhe road conditions and "Adapts" the suspension to give you the best ride possible. DHP may or may not have Adaptive Suspension, depends on your market.
No, we're not confused. Most posters here are in the USA/CA. On both BMWNA build websites, the Dynamic Handling Package (DHP), consists of the Variable Sport Steering and the Adaptive M Suspension. Outside the USA/CA, there are many fewer packages, and you can (probably) either/or them.
See http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...modelcode=153N
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What suspension do you get if you order the M-Sport package and how does this differ from DHP?

Does DHP give you the same suspension as M-Sport with the addition of VSS?
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What suspension do you get if you order the M-Sport package and how does this differ from DHP?

Does DHP give you the same suspension as M-Sport with the addition of VSS?
That's where it gets slightly confusing. M-sport gives you a slightly stiffer and lower sport suspension if you have a RWD car. If you have an xDrive with M-sport, you don't get the sport suspension and it isn't any lower. DHP (the package, which includes dampers and vss), adds electronic dampers to your existing suspension, whether it's a RWD or an xDrive.

This is why I don't think DHP is worth it on a RWD M-sport, since it isn't adding a whole lot, and why I think it's a must have for xDrive cars since it nearly transforms the drive into something similar to that on a RWD car with the sport suspension.

I could be wrong though, as the whole thing is a bit confusing.
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This is why I don't think DHP is worth it on a RWD M-sport, since it isn't adding a whole lot, and why I think it's a must have for xDrive cars since it nearly transforms the drive into something similar to that on a RWD car with the sport suspension.

I could be wrong though, as the whole thing is a bit confusing.
The M-Sport suspension is often deleted on M-Sport orders here in New Zealand because it's rather firm, but the other accoutrements are still desirable. I was going to make sure I got the M-Sport suspension on my order, rather than auto-delete, but then I saw I could have adaptive for only 1.5K more. That was a no brainer for me.

For most of my daily drive, I leave the car in comfort mode and it is supremely comfortable yet controlled. It's only when I want to have a spirited drive in the twists that I engage Sports suspension, and the car is transformed with stunning road holding (beyond my abilities, if I'm honest).

The DHP, with VSS, is a great package for those who like driving and comfort.
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This is why I don't think DHP is worth it on a RWD M-sport, since it isn't adding a whole lot, and why I think it's a must have for xDrive cars since it nearly transforms the drive into something similar to that on a RWD car with the sport suspension.

I could be wrong though, as the whole thing is a bit confusing.
The M-Sport suspension is often deleted on M-Sport orders here in New Zealand because it's rather firm, but the other accoutrements are still desirable. I was going to make sure I got the M-Sport suspension on my order, rather than auto-delete, but then I saw I could have adaptive for only 1.5K more. That was a no brainer for me.

For most of my daily drive, I leave the car in comfort mode and it is supremely comfortable yet controlled. It's only when I want to have a spirited drive in the twists that I engage Sports suspension, and the car is transformed with stunning road holding (beyond my abilities, if I'm honest).

The DHP, with VSS, is a great package for those who like driving and comfort.
Agreed.

And you have a 335 MT wagon?? I hate American tastes so much. I would kill to get one of those over here...
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So if you get DHP on a regular RWD, do you get the whole Sports suspension?
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And you have a 335 MT wagon?? I hate American tastes so much. I would kill to get one of those over here...
Yes. I know.
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