[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by 3A53

BMW is having their best year in the US since 2015, there is no major shortage of buyers for BMW automobiles. X3 sales doubled 15 to 18 and this year is going to blow away last year.

How do you figure that?

The BMW Automobiles you mention are down 15% YTD from 2018.

Only thing saving them are the BMW SUV/Light Trucks.

Even the X3 you mentioned are down 7.8% in September 2019 vs September 2018.

You know something BMW doesn't?

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

How do you figure that?

The BMW Automobiles you mention are down 15% YTD from 2018.

Only thing saving them are the BMW SUV/Light Trucks.

Even the X3 you mentioned are down 7.8% in September 2019 vs September 2018.

You know something BMW doesn't?

M2M can be a pretty misleading statistic sometimes. The X3 YOY is doing better than it was last year.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Certainly the case in the UK. Residual values make the SUV the better financial proposition.

My observation... if we are buying new, best to buy an SUV. Buying used, best value for money, buy a car.

+1. SUVs hold their value better due to demand. Simple as that.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by CrumbyButter

Not that this is news, but depreciation is a b**** on these cars (well, all cars, but esp so on german luxuries). They lose prob 50% of their value in the first 2 or 3 years.

Ha! try depreciation on a Volkswagen.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by GenXer

I think you are right. People are crazy for SUV especially in my area.

Soon as gas prices go higher that will change then everyone wants a Prius.

[Psi5]

Two ways to minimize the hit, one on the front end and one on the back. First, and obviously, pay as little as possible up front. $20k depreciation quickly becomes $10k if you pay $10k under MSRP.

Second, sell the car yourself. Well-maintained, clean BMWs actually do pretty well in the P2P market in my experience. Recent example - wanted to sell my 2007 E90 335 MT, immaculate, 120k miles. Dealers offered $2500-3000. I sold it for $9000.

They get you coming and going so you have to get them going and coming.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Soon as gas prices go higher that will change then everyone wants a Prius.

I'm surprised that over here in Europe, with high fuel prices, the SUV thing is still gaining momentum. Many users are clearly willing to absorb higher fuel costs, with typically bigger and less efficient SUV models.

[AlpineX]

2016 F07 GT vs F10 vs F15... all 6 cyl xdrive.
F15 is lowest base price and highest resale. F07 is highest base price with lowest resale.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Psi5

Two ways to minimize the hit, one on the front end and one on the back. First, and obviously, pay as little as possible up front. $20k depreciation quickly becomes $10k if you pay $10k under MSRP.

Second, sell the car yourself. Well-maintained, clean BMWs actually do pretty well in the P2P market in my experience. Recent example - wanted to sell my 2007 E90 335 MT, immaculate, 120k miles. Dealers offered $2500-3000. I sold it for $9000.

They get you coming and going so you have to get them going and coming.

Dealer was giving you AT price trying to scam you.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Dealer was giving you AT price trying to scam you.

I think someone was shopping for or looking for a manual and dealer was task to find an MT for an asking price. Some dealer will please a customer just to keep there loyalty or future purchase. Trust me I got offers for my S14 Silvia for as much $8k on top of blue book value.

Remember this is an E90 he was selling... old car tougher to find a respectable quality and also as a manual.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

I think someone was shopping for or looking for a manual and dealer was task to find an MT for an asking price. Some dealer will please a customer just to keep there loyalty or future purchase. Trust me I got offers for my S14 Silvia for as much $8k on top of blue book value.

Remember this is an E90 he was selling... old car tougher to find a respectable quality and also as a manual.

I wonder how hard it is to do a manual swap on an AT car. It was a thing with civics and integras back in the day to swap out the auto for a manual people would do it all the time.

[Gen13 F36]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

I wonder how hard it is to do a manual swap on an AT car. It was a thing with civics and integras back in the day to swap out the auto for a manual people would do it all the time.

I want to know that too... it would be nice to have an MT F36.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Gen13 F36

I want to know that too... it would be nice to have an MT F36.

Or an MT G20 M340i in the US.

[AlexTheMan]

The high depreciation on the 4 series allowed me to get a good deal on an Executive Demo 430i GC. It's 2019 model and I bought it in 4/2019 after being a BMW corporate car driven in South Carolina for 6 months. It had 11k miles when I bought it. It was also CPO'd by the dealer. Car had an MSRP of $49.2k and I paid $31.7 for it, so 35% below MSRP.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

M2M can be a pretty misleading statistic sometimes. The X3 YOY is doing better than it was last year.

Yes, but the number of X3 is up to, the X1 has lost. Net = loss.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Yes, but the number of X3 is up to, the X1 has lost. Net = loss.

I don't think BMW even categorizes the X1/X2 as a light truck. They're basically just hatchbacks and are counted in the car category, if I'm not mistaken.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by 3A53

Your chart groups the "Americas" into one group. Largely irrelevant for our discussion.

Add up monthly US BMW brand sales Jan-Sep for 2015-19. It's the best year since 2015.

2015 Jan-Sep: 249,956
2016 Jan-Sep: 230,133
2017 Jan-Sep: 220,175
2018 Jan-Sep: 225,065
2019 Jan-Sep: 232,427

And except for a slightly low January every month this year has beaten the same month in 17 and 18.

You are quoting BMW NA numbers above, not US as you claim.

Also, Considering the Z4, X7 and 8 Series didn't exist last year in the YTD totals, I certainly hope they are selling more vehicles.

Apples to Apples discounting those 3 lines which didn't count into last year sales as they didn't exist, sales are down another 10k from 2018.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

I don't think BMW even categorizes the X1/X2 as a light truck. They're basically just hatchbacks and are counted in the car category, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, but that's not how the public sees them.

BMW counts them in cars because of the assembly line/platform they are built on.