03-28-2020, 03:53 AM | #1 |
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Are bushing upgrades worthed it?
Hi all, I've been reading up on bushing upgrades for the F30 and was wondering which one to go for. My goal is to improve the car's handling and road feel on spirited drivings. I will also be upgrading the coilovers as well when I do the bushings.
Been looking at Superpro and Powerflex bushings and saw some initial good reviews out there. However I've also read that some people had their polyutherane bushings fail prematurely. So my questions are: 1. Are there any alternatives? 2. Are the benefits worthed it? 3. Would the benefits still be noticable after upgrading the coilovers? 4. Are the rear diff bushing upgrades worthed it as well? Hope someone with experience can chime in on this. |
03-28-2020, 06:14 AM | #2 |
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I've been there, done it, had failures, and wouldn't do it (poly) again.
The cost of the poly components, and any like-for-like replacements, isn't the problem. The real costs, if you want to do suspension setup properly, lie in the workshop time including corner weighting and full geo. IMO the only way to achieve a (hopefully) lasting solutíon is to use monoball components. Trouble is, they've not been in the aftermarket for an extended period of time and are relatively unproven. There are many threads on this one n this Suspension section of the forum.
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This is something I've been looking at for some time. However I read that doing both the M3 control arms and tension struts can cause the wheel to be pulled forward towards the front wheel arch, which can cause rubbing issues. What is the solution to this? |
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03-28-2020, 04:00 PM | #5 |
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Ive got delrin bushings in the rear subframe and rear differential. It is amazing how much better the car handles when the subframe doesn't move! but yes you will feel more but you will be able to dial that out with the coilovers.
Ive got polyurethane bushings in the thrust and control arm...steering response have improved and the alignment specs are preserved under load for better traction. for me it has been confidence inspiring and I love it...the handling feels much closer to the e46 BMWs. Feel without harshness is like asking for HP without fuel consumption...you will need to accept a certain level of harshness to improve the feel. So it will be important to choose the appropriate coilover for your application...im thinking KW street comforts. |
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I'm running a square setup of 255/40/18 Conti ECS and APEX ARC-8 18x8.5 wheels. I've also run Michelin PS4S 255/40/18 as well and no rubbing. No spacers. It does not rub so unless you're running some other crazy tire/wheel setup you should be fine. Quote:
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I am incredibly pleased at the overall improvements in handling and suspension with all of the changes I have made.
I have a comprehensive DIY thread up here on all the changes, and for me, absolutely worth it.
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The massively improved steering precision, and lack of slop, from poly bushes in the LCA and TS is one of my favourite upgrades but the short lifespan has been a costly problem.
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I have a set of front Powerflex caster/camber adjustable bushings waiting to go in. Can you give more detail on the short lifespan? Powerflex warranties the bushings for life so that's good at least
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The bushes in the wishbones (the straight units) which are to the rear of the hubs are shot. There's significant elongation/ovalling of the hole in the poly through which the centre shaft/bolt pass, and this has been notified as an MOT advisory. The geometry on my car will be all over the place as a result. The bushes for the tension struts (the 'wonky' arms which are to the front of the hubs) appear to have lasted OK so far, BUT, I'll be checking these very carefully and will most likely replace them with sealed monoball units.
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PFF5-1901G (Front Upper Thrust Arm To Chassis Bushings, Caster Adjustable) or PFF5-1901 (Front Upper Thrust Arm To Chassis Bushings) |
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I did the 1901 NON adjustable.
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That's what I thought, just wanted to confirm since both PN's show up for F3X.
Appreciate your YouTube video on this, it has pushed me over the edge to DIY once I hit 100k this summer. Any plans to do the "other control arm" (#2 in this diagram) ? |
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BMW calls #1 Tension Strut and #2 Wishbone |
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Here's a video for the wishbone/LCA replacement. Note that the bushing in this arm is the one where unsupported polyurethane bushings have failed.
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I researched the same things recently. Poly or any bushing more solid than stock will introduce NVH- Noise, Vibration, Harshness. Monoball is the way to go. I installed VAC Motorsports monoball thrust arms. Remember that this enhances STEERING under acceleration and braking. (For handing, upgrade your sway bars to get rid of body roll) Steering with the VAC monoball thrust arms is very precise without NVH. There is more road feel transmitted through the steering wheel but I wouldn't call it NVH. VAC installs there monoballs into brand new Lemforder thrust arms so you also get new arms and ball joints. Last time I checked BAC didn't have all the info on their website so order them by calling with the correct BMW/Lemforder part numbers. See my diagrams for xDrive and RWD cars. Hope this helps! |
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Going delrin in the rear is harsh...period. I mean i love it because the car feels more instant. there is barely any delay in transitions, on-power or off-power transfers. I will say this, despite the harshness...going delrin in the rear has made my car come alive. |
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You can see my video below I experienced a significant degradation in ride quality after installing Powerflex subframe bushing inserts (I ended up taking them out because of it). Jump to 6:14 for driving impressions.
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