09-12-2020, 06:54 PM | #1 |
Lieutenant Colonel
260
Rep 1,794
Posts
Drives: F30 328i M 6mt, E36 M3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Shakedown Street, Buffalo NY
|
Track Pads, god help me... 328i m sport
So regardless of the typical bmw parts that fit 18 cars over several decades (exaggeration?) the standard 13" front brakes on my 328i N20 stick m sport have a rather exclusive pad shape.
Without spending a ridiculous amount of money, the only mild track day pad I can find are Hawks (never had a good experience). I thought about buying a set of 335i calipers for the car, which have more pad options, but.... its overkill. I have gone through several sets of EBC Yellows on my old 330i and my m3, and would really kill for a set for the 328i, even if they just had the fronts! I've searched pretty extensively, what am I missing, or am I really just limited. HPDE coming up in 3 weeks, will be running on 200tw Kuhmo RS4s (from the e36, fit like a glove)... any suggestions appreciated.
__________________
|
09-12-2020, 10:33 PM | #3 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
990
Rep 1,934
Posts |
Quote:
OP, the 335i brakes are not overkill at all.
__________________
F30 335iX | Remus Axleback | Fabspeed Catted DP | VRSF Comp IC | 18X9 ET35 19lb MT1 | 255/40/18 ECS | Ohlins RT Millway Street | Millway Control Arm Bushings | Turner Endlinks | TMH 75mm 14x1.5 Studs | BMW MPerf LSD | XDelete | Pipercross Filter | MHD Stg2 93
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2020, 11:01 PM | #4 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
260
Rep 1,794
Posts
Drives: F30 328i M 6mt, E36 M3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Shakedown Street, Buffalo NY
|
Quote:
Fast fwd, I bought an e36 m3, freshened the suspension, brakes and got a set of track tires - a dual duty summer car that I could drive to the track. Last event of the season last year I dropped a valve. With this year being nutty, the m3 has collected dust in the garage, and is finally about to get the motor rebuilt. SOOO... my 328i is my daily, and it turns out after dialing in the suspension a bit, it feels much more fun and nearly as willing a dance partner as the 330 was (but with more torque, and a little less weight over the front). My goal isn't to spend 600 bucks on brake hardware and another few hundred on pads for a car that might see 1 or two hpdes a year. I guess if the calipers were a direct swap and I didn't have to buy brackets (I would do all 4 corners) I could justify going down that road.... but thats not happening between now and the first weekend of oct- I wont have the time to find the parts and do the job with work and the rest of life, so for now, I just need some pads that will hold up. I feel like with fresh fluid (duh) the track I am going to won't see the speeds and abuse that the glen puts on the brakes.
__________________
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-12-2020, 11:15 PM | #5 | ||
Lieutenant Colonel
990
Rep 1,934
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
F30 335iX | Remus Axleback | Fabspeed Catted DP | VRSF Comp IC | 18X9 ET35 19lb MT1 | 255/40/18 ECS | Ohlins RT Millway Street | Millway Control Arm Bushings | Turner Endlinks | TMH 75mm 14x1.5 Studs | BMW MPerf LSD | XDelete | Pipercross Filter | MHD Stg2 93
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
09-13-2020, 09:43 AM | #6 |
Major General
6399
Rep 8,488
Posts |
If you want serious braking performance for the track I'd really invest in top-end pads.
From experience : EBC Yellow - forget then. They wilt quickly, then melt. Pagid RS4-2 will handle track work but are really a fast road pad. Ferodo DS2500 - see comments for RS4-2 DS UNO - dedicated track pad. LOTS of screeching on road Pagid RSL1 - see comments for DS UNO, but, by far the best pads I've used. Immense stopping power and no fade. You should be able to find new 370mm discs for a good price plus suitable calipers in the used market.
__________________
Current : F31 330sD, remapped, Ohlins Road & Track, Millway camber plates, Quaife LSD, Stoptech brakes + Pagid RSL1 pads all round, Weichers front strut brace, Eibach front & rear anti-roll bars, Michelin MP4S.
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-14-2020, 07:59 AM | #8 |
Lieutenant Colonel
480
Rep 1,600
Posts |
Surely F30 335i/340i grey Brembos are easy to find in a wrecking yard. Or M135/235/140/240 if you want fancy blue calipers.
The E90 guys have been swapping the F30 Brembos for ages so if you really want pad options, E9x 335i calipers and discs should bolt on (I have not tried). You will upset the electronic distribution though |
Appreciate
0
|
09-14-2020, 07:59 PM | #9 |
Captain
518
Rep 891
Posts |
Ferodo DS2500s from FCP Euro. I upgraded from HP+ which I did get good use from but with the LRG Ferodo is a no brainer. Available in the single piston front at the link below.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...acing-fcp4394h
__________________
328i RWD | MW on CRed Slick Top | 6MT | BM3 | MPE | GPlus FMIC | CSF Radiator | Millway Street Camber Plates & Monoballs | KW V2 6k/18k Swift Springs | F80 LCA/TS | SPL Bump Steer Kit | APEX SM-10 | R-S4 | DS2500 | RBF600 | SS Lines | Past: E36 328is & E38 740i |
Appreciate
0
|
09-14-2020, 08:50 PM | #10 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
260
Rep 1,794
Posts
Drives: F30 328i M 6mt, E36 M3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Shakedown Street, Buffalo NY
|
Quote:
Regardless, I settled, ugh, for Hawk track pads to get me through the 3 days I have left. I just bought fronts, if after this Sunday I feel like I need to add rears, I will either get the matching Hawk rear, or the fedaro 2500... they are both new tracks to me, and neither will see high speeds, but I am running sticky rubber so we'll see. The fluid won't boil thats for damn sure
__________________
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-14-2020, 08:56 PM | #11 | ||
Lieutenant Colonel
990
Rep 1,934
Posts |
Quote:
I've seen some swap this caliper to the e9x, but Idk if they required an adapter to get the offset correct, or if they could use the regular f3x rotor.
__________________
F30 335iX | Remus Axleback | Fabspeed Catted DP | VRSF Comp IC | 18X9 ET35 19lb MT1 | 255/40/18 ECS | Ohlins RT Millway Street | Millway Control Arm Bushings | Turner Endlinks | TMH 75mm 14x1.5 Studs | BMW MPerf LSD | XDelete | Pipercross Filter | MHD Stg2 93
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
09-14-2020, 09:33 PM | #12 | ||
Second Lieutenant
148
Rep 205
Posts
Drives: 14 F30 335i xDrive
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Miami
|
Quote:
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
09-15-2020, 11:26 AM | #13 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
260
Rep 1,794
Posts
Drives: F30 328i M 6mt, E36 M3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Shakedown Street, Buffalo NY
|
Quote:
I always have had excellent luck with the later formulation EBC Yellows... At first when I started tracking, I left oems on the front, eventually, I put yellows on the rear too, it helped me rotate/trail brake a bit. I was especially surprised how hot the rears really got after a session, the back rotors turned the same blue the fronts did, really helped the car hunker down... went the same route with the e36... the pads didn't last as long, but I was carrying a little more speed with sticky rubber.
__________________
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
09-15-2020, 11:51 AM | #14 | ||
Second Lieutenant
148
Rep 205
Posts
Drives: 14 F30 335i xDrive
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Miami
|
Quote:
Regarding compound, probably either their HP+, which is their street/track day and auto cross compound, or possibly their dtc30/street race compound. I'd your not too aggressive and back off here and there to let the brakes cool, they'll get you by. |
||
Appreciate
1
casualDIYer432.00 |
07-25-2023, 07:25 AM | #15 |
Major
432
Rep 1,363
Posts |
I've run the Hawk HP+ for two years now and find they are perfect for the track and car (340i) I drive. To be fair, there is really only one place at that track (Mosport Grand Prix) where there truly is a difference between street and race pad but a difference they do make. The HP+ does get dirty but not obscenely so. Squeals, yes, but not like a neglected freight train. Don't forget to use anti-squeal grease. The HP+ is also gentle on the rotors and have lasted almost 8 weekends so far. Price-wise, I'd say mid-tier for track pads. Only downside, the anti-squeal shim glue eventually failed on mine. Not really a problem though. I put the shim back on, with a bit of anti-squeal between shim and pad, and it's fine. Attempts to re-glue the shim fail. No glue I've tried works.
I run the HP+ in the front and keep the Hawk Street 5.0 on for the rear. If curious how the Street 5.0 do on track, I ran them for half a session ONCE. The Hawk 5.0 did okay for 9 of 10 turns, but was not at all adequate for the hardest of brake zones. Hawk states the Street 5.0 is not a track pad. They are correct. As for the HP+ on the street, I find it's okay but takes time to warm up. The Street 5.0 is much better for street duty. Would I purchase the HP+ again? Yes.
__________________
340i xDrive (F30), 228i (F22), 320 (F30), 325i (E46)
Last edited by casualDIYer; 08-12-2023 at 09:10 PM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|