Post your reaction when you found out you bought a PWG F30

50shadesofhockenheim · 10-11-2018, 10:27 AM

I brought the car home and started looking up downpipes and JB4. That's when I learned I was plagued with a PWG car.

bradsm87 · 10-11-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I brought the car home and started looking up downpipes and JB4. That's when I learned I was plagued with a PWG car.

You and I both

I found out my April 2014 535i was PWG about 3 weeks after getting mine. My whole plans for the car were based on it being EWG.

Mouse · 10-11-2018, 05:35 PM

Hmm....I was happy to find out I could run more e85.

....makes up for the slightly smaller downpipe.

jh_f30 · 10-11-2018, 06:30 PM

Do research pre-purchase? For me, "meh..." I'd rather be happy with what I've got while I've got it. Not worth worrying about because it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the car.

the dope steez · 10-11-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mouse

Hmm....I was happy to find out I could run more e85.

....makes up for the slightly smaller downpipe.

Word - I'm good with my PWG car. On stg 2 w/E30 the thing rips. Mppk 340i's don't stand a chance

harkes · 10-11-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I brought the car home and started looking up downpipes and JB4. That's when I learned I was plagued with a PWG car.

What is the problem with your PWG car?

bradsm87 · 10-11-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mouse

Hmm....I was happy to find out I could run more e85.

Only because the turbo is capable of flowing less. That's not a good thing.

bradsm87 · 10-11-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jh_f30

Do research pre-purchase?

ALL the info that was available at the time said it should be EWG. It's near-impossible to see down there on the spot with the seller to physically check and I though I had no reason to check as RealOEM seemed to indicate 7/2013 onwards was EWG. RealOEM doesn't even list the PWG turbo for my car at all but it is PWG!

IK6SPEED · 10-11-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bradsm87

ALL the info that was available at the time said it should be EWG. It's near-impossible to see down there on the spot with the seller to physically check and I though I had no reason to check as RealOEM seemed to indicate 7/2013 onwards was EWG. RealOEM doesn't even list the PWG turbo for my car at all but it is PWG!

You didn’t research very well. You confused a F30 3 series 7/2013 with a 5 series. BMW does not change all series at the same time.

Even in my classified for my sold Pure Turbo from July I listed that it was compatible with a 2014 535i.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1519951

bradsm87 · 10-11-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

You didn’t research very well. You confused a F30 3 series 7/2013 with a 5 series. BMW does not change all series at the same time.

Even in my classified for my sold Pure Turbo from July I listed that it was compatible with a 2014 535i.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1519951

I researched very well. Both my VIN in RealOEM and manually entering my build month into RealOEM returned that it's EWG for the Euro F11 LCI. It's an error on the BMW parts catalogue because the F10 (sedan) does showing as having PWG for Euro 5 models but F11 does not even list a PWG turbo as an option at all. Also US and Euro timelines and date changes are different as well as differences depending on the emissions standard of the country it's being shipped to.

IK6SPEED · 10-11-2018, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bradsm87

I researched very well. Both my VIN in RealOEM and manually entering my build month into RealOEM returned that it's EWG for the Euro F11 LCI. It's an error on the BMW parts catalogue because the F10 (sedan) does showing as having PWG for Euro 5 models but F11 does not even list a PWG turbo as an option at all. Also US and Euro timelines and date changes are different as well as differences depending on the emissions standard of the country it's being shipped to.

Again, obviously you didn’t research it “very well” as you came up with incorrect information.

Obviously the correct info was available as I listed it in an ad on this site in July.

upsidedownfunnel · 10-11-2018, 10:35 PM

I thought I had it bad because I had the old TPMS. It's annoying buying wheels on the forums since most people have the newer TPMS.

To be honest, I doubt there's really a huge difference. Unless you're taking the car to a drag strip, it's nice to just have a good boost in power which you get with both PWG and EWG cars. My past car had an N54 and with a tune it felt like a beast.

Logicoeur · 10-11-2018, 11:25 PM

Theres nothing wrong with the pwg. You feel it's bad because you sere thay ewg is revered as "better" just because it has a revised part and can hold a bit more power.

Just tune it. You will be fine.

50shadesofhockenheim · 10-11-2018, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by harkes

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I brought the car home and started looking up downpipes and JB4. That's when I learned I was plagued with a PWG car.

What is the problem with your PWG car?

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jgoens · 10-12-2018, 12:52 AM

Plagued with a pwg car....:lol.

Better sell it fast.

50shadesofhockenheim · 10-12-2018, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Logicoeur

Theres nothing wrong with the pwg. You feel it's bad because you sere thay ewg is revered as "better" just because it has a revised part and can hold a bit more power.

Just tune it. You will be fine.

I've done everything besides upgrade the turbo. PWG turbo falls on its face after 5.5k RPM and there's nothing you can do about it unless you replace it

jh_f30 · 10-12-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I've done everything besides upgrade the turbo. PWG turbo falls on its face after 5.5k RPM and there's nothing you can do about it unless you replace it

Do you track/race/drag? If not, you're pushing more power/torque than what's realistically usable on public roads anyways. I only have a tune and a few bolt-ons and it's plenty quick for everyday driving and spirited backroad adventures. If it's not a dedicated track car and 90-95% of it's miles are on streets and highways, are you really missing the little extra umph from the EWG? Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

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If so, maybe the N55 platform wasn't the right place to start to begin with?

50shadesofhockenheim · 10-12-2018, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jh_f30

Do you track/race/drag? If not, you're pushing more power/torque than what's realistically usable on public roads anyways. I only have a tune and a few bolt-ons and it's plenty quick for everyday driving and spirited backroad adventures. If it's not a dedicated track car and 90-95% of it's miles are on streets and highways, are you really missing the little extra umph from the EWG? Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

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If so, maybe the N55 platform wasn't the right place to start to begin with?

I do drag race and do roll race events multiple times a year in the colder weather months down here in Florida. And I do use the power on the streets/highway.

EWG makes about 70whp more than PWG from 5.5-7k rpm which is huge

jh_f30 · 10-12-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

I do drag race it multiple times a year in the colder weather months down here in Florida. And I do use the power on the streets/highway.

EWG makes about 70whp more than PWG from 5.5-7k rpm which is huge

Ah. Gotcha. Well, PS2, it is!

doodlebro · 10-12-2018, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure what OP is on about. I have PWG in my X3 and if I ever need to make more power up top, I'd just go PS2 and be done with it.

The N55 with PWG is a very well balanced engine. If you wanted power headroom you should have gone with an N54 due to the forged internals & dual turbo setup.

I'm going to have a hard time justifying that much power though. 400 whp on an X3 is wicked fast and plenty to have fun with on public roads, as well as on the track.

akgambino · 10-12-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by E90 LCI

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Originally Posted by jh_f30

Do you track/race/drag? If not, you're pushing more power/torque than what's realistically usable on public roads anyways. I only have a tune and a few bolt-ons and it's plenty quick for everyday driving and spirited backroad adventures. If it's not a dedicated track car and 90-95% of it's miles are on streets and highways, are you really missing the little extra umph from the EWG? Maybe you are, maybe you aren't.

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If so, maybe the N55 platform wasn't the right place to start to begin with?

I do drag race and do roll race events multiple times a year in the colder weather months down here in Florida. And I do use the power on the streets/highway.

EWG makes about 70whp more than PWG from 5.5-7k rpm which is huge

Lol 70whp more is reaching bud! Realistically stock pwg turbo tapers to around 10psi at redline where stock ewg turbo tapers to around 13psi and in no way does that equate to a 70whp difference.
Weren't you the one that posted the dyno comparison of what I assume is ewg vs pwg and it showed a 20whp difference?

50shadesofhockenheim · 10-12-2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by akgambino

Lol 70whp more is reaching bud! Realistically stock pwg turbo tapers to around 10psi at redline where stock ewg turbo tapers to around 13psi and in no way does that equate to a 70whp difference.
Weren't you the one that posted the dyno comparison of what I assume is ewg vs pwg and it showed a 20whp difference?

Wow so many people with PWG in denial ITT... lol. And no.. the dyno shows the same car on 2 different runs, have you never seen a dyno sheet before?

Granted he EWG is on BM3 and PWG is on jb4, the torque/hp curve should paint you a clear picture

EWG:

PWG:

EWG from peak hp at 5.5k rpm (413whp) to 7k (~380whp) = 33whp drop from the peak

PWG from peak hp at 5250 RPM (397whp) to 7k (~320whp) = 77whp drop

EWG from peak tq at ~3250 RPM (448wtq) to 5250 RPM (~410wtq) = 38wtq drop

PWG from peak tq at ~3k RPM (471wtq) to 5250 RPM (~400wtq) = 71wtq drop

PWG is all downhill after 5.5k RPM while EWG is strong all the way through the pull

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Mouse Second Lieutenant 95 Rep 279 Posts Drives: 2013F30 335i Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cypress, TX iTrader: (0)	Hmm....I was happy to find out I could run more e85. ....makes up for the slightly smaller downpipe. __________________ 13' F30 335i - BMS Intake -- VRSF DP -- VRSF CP -- VRSF 5" Stepped Intercooler -- Corsa Touring Catback -- JB4 -- H&R Springs -- Miro Flow Formed F25's
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Logicoeur Lieutenant Colonel 991 Rep 1,934 Posts Drives: F30 335i xDrive Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	Theres nothing wrong with the pwg. You feel it's bad because you sere thay ewg is revered as "better" just because it has a revised part and can hold a bit more power. Just tune it. You will be fine. __________________ F30 335iX \| Remus Axleback \| Fabspeed Catted DP \| VRSF Comp IC \| 18X9 ET35 19lb MT1 \| 255/40/18 ECS \| Ohlins RT Millway Street \| Millway Control Arm Bushings \| Turner Endlinks \| TMH 75mm 14x1.5 Studs \| BMW MPerf LSD \| XDelete \| Pipercross Filter \| MHD Stg2 93
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doodlebro Lieutenant 121 Rep 470 Posts Drives: '17 X3 35i Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Denver iTrader: (1)	I'm not sure what OP is on about. I have PWG in my X3 and if I ever need to make more power up top, I'd just go PS2 and be done with it. The N55 with PWG is a very well balanced engine. If you wanted power headroom you should have gone with an N54 due to the forged internals & dual turbo setup. I'm going to have a hard time justifying that much power though. 400 whp on an X3 is wicked fast and plenty to have fun with on public roads, as well as on the track.
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