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      01-04-2024, 05:57 PM   #1
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I intend to make a jump from autocrossing to HPDE's, I plan to do 4 track days in April alone and wanted to step up my brake pads to something more serious. I'm not ready or willing to switch between dedicated street and track pads, its simply more effort than I'm willing to exert. All I want is to ensure i have consistent braking through these several days and then be able to drive it in the cold to work. What I'm looking for is a more moderate-track pad that is daily driving streetable (a la Hawk HP+, Ferodo DS2500, Carbotech XP8).

As I have a nonsport brake car, P337 brakes, there are front axle options but no rear axle options. I've searched the forums and no one seems to have asked about this in particular. Carbotech doesnt make matching front and rear pads at all for this car, as far as I can find, at this point im thinking of running XP10s in the front and XP8 in the rear. I've considered running HP+ in the front and HPS 5.0 in the back but that seems more disproportionate. I dont want my braking dynamics upset but people often run mismatching pads in other cars; I'd just like to see if anyone has any insight prior to jumping on something.
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A lot can depend on the venue for braking requirements. I used power stop sport pads at the start.. But you should be ok with factory pads to start. You will probably start in the novice group as a newbie so you shouldn't be pushing the brakes. Post the venue and maybe you can get some feedback on the braking requirements specific to that track.
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I intend to make a jump from autocrossing to HPDE's, I plan to do 4 track days in April alone and wanted to step up my brake pads to something more serious. I'm not ready or willing to switch between dedicated street and track pads, its simply more effort than I'm willing to exert. All I want is to ensure i have consistent braking through these several days and then be able to drive it in the cold to work. What I'm looking for is a more moderate-track pad that is daily driving streetable (a la Hawk HP+, Ferodo DS2500, Carbotech XP8).

As I have a nonsport brake car, P337 brakes, there are front axle options but no rear axle options. I've searched the forums and no one seems to have asked about this in particular. Carbotech doesnt make matching front and rear pads at all for this car, as far as I can find, at this point im thinking of running XP10s in the front and XP8 in the rear. I've considered running HP+ in the front and HPS 5.0 in the back but that seems more disproportionate. I dont want my braking dynamics upset but people often run mismatching pads in other cars; I'd just like to see if anyone has any insight prior to jumping on something.
Do you run at FLR events?

I tried HP+ on the front of my car and they glazed over and lost alot of the cold bite that was there initially...still worked but the pads seemed overwhelmed.

Ive had the DS2500 in the back for lapping and they faired much better but also ran very hot...there was this white powdery residue at the edge of the pads after a few sessions. Just so you are aware, i converted my rear calipers to the 2 piston units from a 235i...It made a very big difference on track.

ive used carbotech on my camaro...once they are broken in, its an awesome pad. you will not be disappointed. I believe i ran the xp12s and they were very streetable.

I went pfc11s on the f30 just because they handle the heat and were easy to obtain.
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What did you end up going with? I'm in the exact same boat with the P337A

For fronts, I see DTC-60s as an option but concerned about the corrosion. Might go with DS2500 or Hawk HPS

For rears, I only really see the EBC BlueStuff NDX as an option - https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...kes-dp52131ndx
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For anybody who sees this, I went with the EBC BlueStuff NDX.

Way more bite than the stock pads. Dust like crazy. However, once I through on my 200TW Hankook RS4s, the pads started disintegrating. I don't think they can handle the heat I'm generating. They are also only lasting at most 3 days.

Current plan is to install the M-Performance BBK and run Ferodo DS2500 + DS1.11 so I can swap back and forth without re-bedding.
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      10-23-2024, 01:31 PM   #6
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Current plan is to install the M-Performance BBK and run Ferodo DS2500 + DS1.11 so I can swap back and forth without re-bedding.
The M Performance BBK should come with pads. You could use them with some PFC pad compounds (08 & 11 i think) and not worry about bedding either.
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      10-30-2024, 02:42 PM   #7
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I’ll chime in with my past experience.

I occasionally track my daily F30 328i p337. Run 300 tw tires since it’s the daily.

The m sport brakes on this car are huge. Even at instructor pace, I find the stock pads to be sufficient for several laps with my tires. Vmax on my tracks is around 120 in my car, and I don’t experience fade until many laps in. YMMV depending on your tracks and tire setup.

I’ve street/track driven on carbotech XP10 in the past before and they’re fine in Texas weather where it doesn’t get that cold. Just noisy and dusty, but non corrosive.

There’s my 2 cents.
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