[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by Pond

There is an awful lot of bullshit talked about tyres.

Such as?

Heaven forbid, some people on forums might actually have a bit of experience and know what they're talking about

Originally Posted by Pond

My brand new Audi A4 has Hankooks on from the factory. I think VW know a bit about tyres. Hankooks would be sniffed at on any car forum.

VW/Audi like all car makers just buy what ever is cheapest and meets a minimum standard. And who is sniffing at Hankooks? I've never seen anyone stick their nose up at a set of Ventus S1s.

I just smell a whiff of contempt at people recommending premium brand tyres in your post.

[Pond]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

Such as?

Heaven forbid, some people on forums might actually have a bit of experience and know what they're talking about



VW/Audi like all car makers just buy what ever is cheapest and meets a minimum standard. And who is sniffing at Hankooks? I've never seen anyone stick their nose up at a set of Ventus S1s.

I just smell a whiff of contempt at people recommending premium brand tyres in your post.

My opinion, son.

You don't seem to be shy on giving yours, so what's the problem?

[danb1979]

FFS you really know how to cock up a thread don't you... 'son'

Absolute womblecock

[winther1]

That took a turn
Anyway, helped me out deciding. I will post some feedback

[Pond]

Originally Posted by danb1979

Absolute womblecock

It's cockwomble.
If you are going to throw personal insults around at least get them right.

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by winther1

That took a turn
Anyway, helped me out deciding. I will post some feedback

Seems to be a pattern on here with certain members

Anyhoo

Back on topic

Looking forward to seeing how you find the Falkens; give them a good few hundred miles to bed in/wear in etc

This was the Falken FK510s on my F01:




They were excellent tyres; Sreten of M539 Restorations fame used them a lot and he hammered his cars (M5s etc) on the Autobahn - IMO if they're solid & safe at those speeds with those cars; they'll do perfectly for cars in the UK

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by Pond

It's cockwomble.
If you are going to throw personal insults around at least get them right.

I was being sarcastic you daft cnut...

[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by Pond

My opinion, son.

You don't seem to be shy on giving yours, so what's the problem?

I was just interested in your reasons for why people talk shit about tyres, that's all, which I didn't think was too offensive? People take them seriously for good reason - it's the only part of the car that touches the road.

Now get back to your Sunday Times crossword and Werther's Originals, Granddad.

[Alscoob]

Back on topic....... for the OP

I've use Falkens in the past, admittedly the 452's as it was a wile ago, but they were on the 350Z facelift version.

They replaced the Bridgestones that the car came on when new (which were horrid) and the Falkens were excellent, less road noise, better grip especially in the wet and lasted well enough considering they had to work a bit

Also used some Falkens on the daughters 147 Alfa they were Euro all seasons AS200's lasted well and didn't miss a beat in the snow & slush.

Good experience with both.

Have also used tyres at the other end of the price scale and had issues with those where you wouldn't have expected it, although prenium brands they have proven to be not so good as some of the mid range brands I have used.

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by Alscoob

Back on topic....... for the OP

I've use Falkens in the past, admittedly the 452's as it was a wile ago, but they were on the 350Z facelift version.

They replaced the Bridgestones that the car came on when new (which were horrid) and the Falkens were excellent, less road noise, better grip especially in the wet and lasted well enough considering they had to work a bit

Also used some Falkens on the daughters 147 Alfa they were Euro all seasons AS200's lasted well and didn't miss a beat in the snow & slush.

Good experience with both.

Have also used tyres at the other end of the price scale and had issues with those where you wouldn't have expected it, although prenium brands they have proven to be not so good as some of the mid range brands I have used.

The 452s were superb tyres; what I ran on my charged DC5 and was very impressed with them

[Ofield_94]

I've been looking at thr Falken RS820 next, I know it comes OEM on the new RS3 so it can't be terrible. Although, I can get the extremely highly rated CS7 for cheaper!

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by Ofield_94

I've been looking at thr Falken RS820 next, I know it comes OEM on the new RS3 so it can't be terrible. Although, I can get the extremely highly rated CS7 for cheaper!

The CS7s will be my summer tyres for my 130i; they get superb reviews and that says a lot for me

[Alscoob]

Originally Posted by danb1979

The CS7s will be my summer tyres for my 130i; they get superb reviews and that says a lot for me

They'll be like the Yoko's I had on my Astra GTE which was tuned by Blydenstein, the man himself recommended them, boy did they get the power down and stick to the road, made it a great drive for 6k miles, then needed new ones

CS7's start with less tread than some though.

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by Alscoob

They'll be like the Yoko's I had on my Astra GTE which was tuned by Blydenstein, the man himself recommended them, boy did they get the power down and stick to the road, made it a great drive for 6k miles, then needed new ones

CS7's start with less tread than some though.

That's fine; I don't do the mileage to be concerned

[TurboWeasel]

I still have nightmares about sliding all over the place on Yokohama A509s. Probably the worst tyre I've ever experienced in the wet

Didn't realise Conti cheaped out on the tread depth with the CS7. Can't say I noticed it really. Still bloody good tyres though regardless

[M33DLO]

Another thumbs up for Falkens.
Been using then for years on numerous BMW's, currently on the front of the 340i and on all corners on the Z4 Coupe.

[Ennoch]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

I still have nightmares about sliding all over the place on Yokohama A509s. Probably the worst tyre I've ever experienced in the wet

Didn't realise Conti cheaped out on the tread depth with the CS7. Can't say I noticed it really. Still bloody good tyres though regardless

The A509's were decent on Minis and Midgets but given how soft they were even on cars of that weight I can well imagine that anything modern would be rather squirmy and glidey.

It's funny how different people have such different opinions of what a good tyre feels like; I can't stand Pirelli and yet they get some pretty good test feedback (even TyreReviews liked the PZ4), which is why I always take online feedback with such a pinch of salt. Toyo T1S were great on my old Fiat Bravos and 145 because they were light cars running small 15/16" wheels, and they were cheap at £30-40 a corner. They were garbage on anything high power or heavy though as what made them good on the lighter car was exactly why they then struggled. It's the same with Uniroyal Rainsports. How do you know someone drives like miss daisy or has absolutely zero ability to discern whether a tyre is any good? They'll say that Rainsports are the best tyres ever. They're passable on a 700kg Midget but even then only as a control tyre for lanes rallying, you'd still choose something better if you could.

It was the same when I was reviewing MTB tyres. Some people loved a tyre that had the highest peak grip even if it would then snap and dump you on your ass, mainly because they a) couldn't take it to that limit or, b) didn't have the ability to realise it was the tyre's fault. Personally I prefer a tyre that has a bigger area under the curve, i.e that it might start feeling loose a little earlier, have lower peak grip, but has lots of controllability at that limit. This allows you to play around with the car/bike, and really lean into it, knowing exactly how it's going to behave when you start to take liberties. It's talking to you. Where a tyre goes grip, grip, grip, boom, you have such a knife edge that it's not an enjoyable experience and makes life much harder than it needs to be. I'd say most Pirellis behave like this snap and dump tyre but without actually having a particularly high peak grip level to make up for it! Funnily enough my brief experience of their MTB tyres is of exactly the same characteristics.

The lower tread depth is to reduce squirming when new, and mainly reduce the weight and lower rolling resistance so they get a better eco rating on the label (which of course ignores the fact they won't last as long and the carcass is by far and away the most wasteful bit of the tyre). The eco tyres which came new on my mum's wee Aygo only had 5.5mm, and of course had hard rubber and zero grip. They got changed out pretty quick to TS850 winters which as an all rounder on a light car for someone who definitely doesn't hold it to the ragged edge are absolutely great.

[Ennoch]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

Such as?

Heaven forbid, some people on forums might actually have a bit of experience and know what they're talking about



VW/Audi like all car makers just buy what ever is cheapest and meets a minimum standard. And who is sniffing at Hankooks? I've never seen anyone stick their nose up at a set of Ventus S1s.

I just smell a whiff of contempt at people recommending premium brand tyres in your post.

I had a courtesy G31 a year or two back which had Hankook somethings on it. I have to admit I was surprised that they were fitting them as I saw it as penny-pinching, but equally I thought they were great on the 1000 miles I put on that car. I didn't push it to the limit or anything, it was only a 320d, but for a general tyre for the average person who doesn't drive like a tit (unlike me who definitely has a tendency for that), they were quiet, grippy, dealt with standing water well and were generally a very pleasant tyre to live with on the A9 and rural roads. These mid market brands have all lifted themselves as technology pioneered by the big brands has been adopted, and as they've started to do things themselves too. I think there's a tendency for some to not realise that they are producing tyres that are comparable to the top brands in most situations these days based on what they used to be like, a bit of 'well it's not the top brand therefore it must be crap' or even just the impression they believe it would give someone of themselves based on not owning the top tier items. Brand snobbery if you will.

[StuieUK]

Had my 335d on 20" for 3yrs now..
Originally on Falken FK510 until nails decided to go into the walls! (early 2022)

In 2022, switched to using Falken FK520 (cnat seem to get FK510)
Why i like these tyres (all yr round)
They grip, they dont cost tons of money compared to other brands, without Nails in walls, i reckon they can do 30k mixed driving miles....

They grip well in wet, and very good in dry.
I run 225/35/20 on Front
255/30/20 on rear

Average, i manage to get the fronts for say £150 per tyre
Rear is around £180.

Used to run Falkens on my Skyline and my 200sx before that, i think there good

[space_2001]

Are CS7 the same as the Extreme Contact Sport 02 here in North America?

[SimonO]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

I still have nightmares about sliding all over the place on Yokohama A509s. Probably the worst tyre I've ever experienced in the wet

Didn't realise Conti cheaped out on the tread depth with the CS7. Can't say I noticed it really. Still bloody good tyres though regardless

During my recent recall the technician measured mine 5.6mm front and 4.5mm on the rears. I've done around 8k miles on my CS7's on a stage 2+ 340i. I have no idea what the thread measurement is new but the rear's haven't lasted very well at all. Still, best tires I've ever had for grip - and I've had PS4, PS4S and PS5 in the past.

[Alscoob]

Originally Posted by SimonO

During my recent recall the technician measured mine 5.6mm front and 4.5mm on the rears. I've done around 8k miles on my CS7's on a stage 2+ 340i. I have no idea what the thread measurement is new but the rear's haven't lasted very well at all. Still, best tires I've ever had for grip - and I've had PS4, PS4S and PS5 in the past.

Lots of grip equals lots of wear generally.

On the basis of your wear in another 8K miles you'll be replacing them as you'll be likely down to 2mm