[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by tuned2ride

The delta is greater because of the enticing sound experience of the N55. a shortcoming of the N20.

Sound is another factor.

Power, pressing the pedal and accelerating, the gap is even larger between the two n20s, something that is not opinion based and shown in performance metrics. Gap is larger than the n20 vs n55.

So I find it funny to wax on about the N55 gap and worth (sound being another discusssion) while dinishing the gap between the two 4s when that gap is even larger.

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by AgentCircus

I'm trading in my 320i, and I can't decide between the two. In a perfect world, I'd be getting the 428i M Sport but I'm a little negative on the 320i so I don't want to go over budget.

The 328i M Sport ends up being $1215 more because of the options that are standard on the 428i. (Lighting Package, Sport Auto). I can live without the moonroof.

Thoughts?

After many years of BMW, I gave a shot and I got a M-Sport, let me tell you... The package makes your car feel special.

Even if it was between 328i M-Sport vs Base 335 I would get the 328i M-Sport on a hart beat.

[DerDichter]

Originally Posted by AgentCircus

Just got tired of it and its lack of power, and after seeing the M Sport bumper, I was hooked.

I found a really good sales manager that gave me invoice on a custom build (although they did have a no budge doc fee of $499 - so I'm considering it invoice + $500). With the current incentives it washed most of my negative equity (Drive, Option, and USAA).

The vehicle is already in 112 Status, dealer is estimating ~6 weeks until delivery.

2014 328i M Sport
Estoril Blue
Lighting Package
Technology Package
Sport Automatic w/ paddle shifters
Drivers Assistance
Harman Kardon
Black Kidney grills (port installed)

$618/month after taxes.

Do it, in Mexico my payment for a little bit more equipped 328 M SPort is about $1300 so go for it!

[Matts435coupe]

Originally Posted by AgentCircus

I considered that but I got my 320 before the ridiculously high residuals were posted, so my payment is $400/month. Not sure how competitive that would be when there are 328is with similar equipment leasing for around the same.

How much negative equity do you have and how many payments left? Even if you offer half of the negative equity as an incentive, you still come out on top. You can offer the 320 at a much lower payment and not roll in any negative equity into your new lease.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Sound is another factor.

Power, pressing the pedal and accelerating, the gap is even larger between the two n20s, something that is not opinion based and shown in performance metrics. Gap is larger than the n20 vs n55.

So I find it funny to wax on about the N55 gap and worth (sound being another discusssion) while dinishing the gap between the two 4s when that gap is even larger.

+1. We drove a 320i 8AT during Christmas roadtrip. Although it has marginal advantage over 328i in terms of nose lightness, the power difference was very apparent esp. when passing and around hilly terrains. We had to put it in manual mode and stay in gear(keep it in "boil" as others have stated) to keep it moving.

[martyg]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

+1. We drove a 320i 8AT during Christmas roadtrip. Although it has marginal advantage over 328i in terms of nose lightness, the power difference was very apparent esp. when passing and around hilly terrains. We had to put it in manual mode and stay in gear(keep it in "boil" as others have stated) to keep it moving.

Why is the 320i "lighter in the nose"?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by martyg

Why is the 320i "lighter in the nose"?

It's not.

The weight difference is within the cabin due to equipment such as power seats, folding rear seat etc.

The engines are physically the exact same weight, no difference up front of the car.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by martyg

Why is the 320i "lighter in the nose"?

The 320i we drove was bone stock and was at least 120+ lbs lighter than our 328i(which has additional moonroof on top of published laden weight). The marginal lightness in the nose we felt can be attributed to minus 50-60lbs(assuming evenly distributed extra weight front and back) on the front wheels.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by tuned2ride

I would sacrifice option and take a 335i M-Sport for the same money. A 328i doesn't feel that much different from a 320i.

^This. When I got mine, the difference between a 328 and 335 (the way I had them optioned) came out to about 30 - 35 bucks a month. Easy decision, for me.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

The 320i we drove was bone stock and was at least 120+ lbs lighter than our 328i(which has additional moonroof on top of published laden weight). The marginal lightness in the nose we felt can be attributed to minus 50-60lbs(assuming evenly distributed extra weight front and back) on the front wheels.

No matter how you option them, 320 or 328, the weight difference is NOT over the front wheels. I will explain again, there is no hardware difference in terms of weight(only pistons) under the hood or forward of the A-pillar.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

No matter how you option them, 320 or 328, the weight difference is NOT over the front wheels. I will explain again, there is no hardware difference in terms of weight(only pistons) under the hood or forward of the A-pillar.

During our drives the nose of 320i did feel lighter than 328i, our thoughts were since 320i is lighter, it can steer with more agility(the nose can point more at ease). Your explanation is additional weight on just the front wheels, but a lighter car means less weight on both front and rear wheels, right? The options mentioned(power seats, moonroof) should apply weight equally on both axles. BTW do fold-down seats add more weights? Are those just additional hinges?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

During our drives the nose of 320i did feel lighter than 328i, our thoughts were since 320i is lighter, it can steer with more agility(the nose can point more at ease). Your explanation is additional weight on just the front wheels, but a lighter car means less weight on both front and rear wheels, right? The options mentioned(power seats, moonroof) should apply weight equally on both axles. BTW do fold-down seats add more weights? Are those just additional hinges?

Its not just weight, it is where the weight is located. 320 vs 328, there is no mechanical/ hardware based weight, its only interior related and the gap is based only on options the 320 can do without. The minute you give a 320 moonroof, powerseats, split fold, there is now no weight difference at all.

The 320 you drove can handle better, especially if there is no moonroof compared a 328 which does. The moonroof is mainly an issue of center of gravity as the weight is high up, again not something that would really be felt on the NOSE/steering of the car.

Split fold seats are about 50lbs as there is quite a bit of hardware associated with them.

[serpentinebelt1978]

Go for it, living on credit is the American way after all, don't listen to the numpties! The 328 has one of the loveliest engines of the moment!

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Its not just weight, it is where the weight is located. 320 vs 328, there is no mechanical/ hardware based weight, its only interior related and the gap is based only on options the 320 can do without. The minute you give a 320 moonroof, powerseats, split fold, there is now no weight difference at all.

The 320 you drove can handle better, especially if there is no moonroof compared a 328 which does. The moonroof is mainly an issue of center of gravity as the weight is high up, again not something that would really be felt on the NOSE/steering of the car.

Split fold seats are about 50lbs as there is quite a bit of hardware associated with them.

I see your point of making a distinction of actual additional weight on front only vs. the CG. The 320 did handle(slightly) better than our 328 on corners, we attributed that to steering a light(er) nose, but you are correct that the CG of 320i being low(er) helps with handling and body lean, which indirectly makes the steering easier/quicker.

[chrisny]

Originally Posted by serpentinebelt1978

Go for it, living on credit is the American way after all, don't listen to the numpties! The 328 has one of the loveliest engines of the moment!

Just as arrogance is the British way, eh?

No need for the rudeness.

Agree on the 328, though. However, I still prefer the 335 for a few bucks a month more in a lease.

[ThaiBruin]

If power is an issue, remember you can get a plug and play BMS Stage 1 that'll get you to stock 328i numbers.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

I see your point of making a distinction of actual additional weight on front only vs. the CG. The 320 did handle(slightly) better than our 328 on corners, we attributed that to steering a light(er) nose, but you are correct that the CG of 320i being low(er) helps with handling and body lean, which indirectly makes the steering easier/quicker.

So many things can affect the handling/lean when cars like these are so similar, one of the biggest is tires. I found some of the other standard tires very lacking, the Bstone S001s for example were among the best offerings when speaking to steering feedback, feel/response and less likely to roll all over the sidewalls.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by martyg

you really can't afford a BMW (you're leasing),

right.

OP, the other poster who recommended swapalease is right on. You'll be better off paying someone to take your lease so you can negotiate a better deal on the next car

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by amancuso

If you really want the 4 MSport hold out for one. I was in a similar situation as you in October. 328i MSport vs. 428i non M. I paid the higher price for the 4 MSport because I really wanted one. If you do, either plunk out the extra cash or wait another few months to save more for your downpayment to keep your monthly in check.

Originally Posted by emilyanne113

that's great...
thank you
Regards
Car Repair Team

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

Just do it right this time and go for 340/440 or 335/435. In the end it will be about $80-100 difference per month (cancel a few un-needed subscriptions to compensate the difference ), where you are already spending $610, might as well be $700, in return you'll get a way more exciting car, full satisfaction and no buyer's remorse for sure

Also, there is a considerable difference in power going from 320 to 328, you will feel it right away. If it suits your driving style and requirements then it won't be a bad upgrade either.

I also assume you're buying it? I see the new M340 leases are going as low as $550 in my area with about $4500 down-payment but the dealer has some $2500 discount on that I personally have never leased but it seems tempting.

This thread is almost 6 years old, I am sure the OP already got his car.

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by emilyanne113

that's great...
thank you
Regards
Car Repair Team

Don't do that, not cool

Originally Posted by 2000Z3M

This thread is almost 6 years old, I am sure the OP already got his car.

haha, it's this spammer reviving old threads, seems like a fake profile

[F30lolz]

OP, go for the M Sport.

Please let us know as we’re all waiting very patiently

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

OP, go for the M Sport.

Please let us know as we’re all waiting very patiently

haha, it seems like the OP went with 335 with MPPK and MPE and now it shows he is driving M235, he was comparing the two before he went with 335, curious how he ended with M235 Apart from the form factor I don't think there is a considerable difference between 335 MSport(with MPPK and MPE) and M235?