[Solidjake]

If it was linear after 100k with an additional year then it would have been great. Example 100-110k/9 years 30% or something like that

[Solidjake]

Btw, for the job do the oil pan bolts HAVE to be replaced? That would save around $70 on cost, but if it has to be changed then it is what it is.

[adhrp]

Well, based on the terms of this settlement it appears that many forum members were right when they claim that BMW considers "lifetime" as 100k. So 'lifetime' anything (fluids, components, etc) should be considered to have a life of 100k?

[jared21927]

LOL.....3 years later and settlement that still has us potentially paying 60% out of pocket for a defect......

I didn't expect much from this so I'm not disappointed. My timing chain is fine. I check it often with an endoscope. If it dies, it dies. This is a bad situation all the way around. Good luck to all!

[PeliLover]

Hi all

It seems there are a number of different conditions. First, this applies to cars generally from 2012-2015 depending on model. From doc. 72-3 pages 15 and on:

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FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE PAID FOR REPAIR

Based on repair dates vs. service dates:

III.A.1 - If you had the engine or parts replaced before the 7-year/70K extension then you get reimbursement 100% dealer / $3k chain / $7.5k motor

III.A.2. - If the failure took place after the 7-year/70k extension and before 8-year/100k, then there's a table with sliding scale from 75%-40% of reimbursement which starts at 75% reimbursed with caps.

FOR PROSPECTIVE (FUTURE) REPAIR

III.B.1. - If you have failure before the 7-year/70K then you get reimbursement 100% at dealer

III.B.2. - Repairs after 7-year/70k and before 8-year/100k mark, reimbursement will apply under a similar sliding scale from 75%-40% of reimbursement which starts at 75% (reimbursed with no caps?).

III.B.3. - For one year after effective date regardless of age but under 100k, reimbursement at the dealer will apply under a similar sliding scale from 75%-40% of reimbursement which starts at 75% (reimbursed with no caps?).

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So in summary:

1.If you've already paid for the repair, I'm sure most of the cases have been for under 70k cars. This is wonderful for those horror stories of 40k cars that had to pay thousands for new engines.

2. If you repaired into later years/mileage then comments above about 100k 'lifetime' apply because of the sliding scale.

3. The prospective program expands the same coverage to future repair as (1) and (2), except for the additional one year extension regardless of age but capped at 100k miles which may cover certain 2013 models beyond their natural 8-year limit because his coverage starts on the effective date which is yet to be established.

I ask that others that are combing through the details please double-check my summary.

[sjbender]

One piece of certainty is the 100,000 mile limit no matter anything else.

My car failed at 101,000 miles... it will be interesting to see if the BMW rep will assist in this or not when the time comes. The car has been 'disabled' since April 2019.

[328iX]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

I’ve noticed that FCP Euro has increased their TC/guide kits for the n20/26. Earlier this year it was around $570 IIRC. Two months ago it went up to around $650 but now it’s over $700. Covid and/or demand for the kits?

FCP euro prices fluctuate a lot from what I've seen, I bought a ZF trans kit in 2018 for like $190, a few months ago it was close to $300, now its back to $214

[Slick_FThirty]

Originally Posted by adhrp

Well, based on the terms of this settlement it appears that many forum members were right when they claim that BMW considers "lifetime" as 100k. So 'lifetime' anything (fluids, components, etc) should be considered to have a life of 100k?

To my understanding, lifetime is 15 years or 150k miles.
This is what the lawyers were pushing for based on what I read.

[RMachuca3d]

so if i'm reading this correctly, since my 2015 is just over 80k miles, I will only be covered for 55% of the repair and I'll have to pony up the remaining 45% IF the dealership does diagnose correctly a timing chain issue?

thats disappointing as fk.

[Solidjake]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

so if i'm reading this correctly, since my 2015 is just over 80k miles, I will only be covered for 55% of the repair and I'll have to pony up the remaining 45% IF the dealership does diagnose correctly a timing chain issue?

thats disappointing as fk.

Yup....

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by Volkom

I'm pissed, trash settlement.
If I'm reading this right- document 72-1, pages 13, 14 etc. suggest that if you weren't covered before, you aren't covered now either since the previous lawsuit was 7 years/70k and the new one, being like 3 years afterwards, covers 8 years/100k, whichever comes first.

They bought themselves enough time to exclude an additional ~3 years worth of cars. How are you just allowed to roll a case on and on and then provide an increase that's smaller than the time the litigation took?

I was out of 7/70k having just had my 2013 X3 with 72k miles blow, and will continue to be with 8/100k.

no they did not

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by Pauloxxi

All this fuss and time to gain one year benefit, but only if you drive less than 12000 miles/year.
If that doesn't mean BMW doesn't care about customers, I don't know what more people need to see.
BMW believes their engines can break after 8 years, and the loss is at customer onus. For sure they have good lawyers.
Good luck for us with "our time bomb"... and hopefully we don't loose our engines while driving full speed with a semi in our tail.

The original warranty is 4 years / 50k. Consumers who agree to these terms should have an expectation that shit can happen and it will be up to them to fix it

[5mall5nail5]

Originally Posted by PK2348

The original warranty is 4 years / 50k. Consumers who agree to these terms should have an expectation that shit can happen and it will be up to them to fix it

I think there's a huge difference between your ... say... alternator failing at 65k miles and your engine failing.

[Pauloxxi]

Originally Posted by PK2348

The original warranty is 4 years / 50k. Consumers who agree to these terms should have an expectation that shit can happen and it will be up to them to fix it

Of course shit can happen, sure I agree, a lot of things can fail in a car after warranty, then we deal with repair, fix for a moderate value, sometimes expensive. Being in a car for 8 years, and having to replace the WHOLE ENGINE... Seems to be too much shit, wouldn't you agree?
Or, you can also pay a relatively high price for a preventive and safety retro fit (replace the TC and poor plastic rails) to address the problem created by BMW. Seems a good way to burn money.
Don't you agree, this is TOO MUCH SHIT for a problem that is undeniably a poor design, a lack of common sense, and the greedy race for cost reductions at BMW?
If you are happy with this shit... I'm definitely not. If you are happy with the shit of resale value of your car dropping even more because your car is subject to TC problem, and the risk to replace the WHOLE ENGINE, I'm definitely not... I would not buy a BMW with N20 engine never more.

[GreyF30]

Originally Posted by sjbender

One piece of certainty is the 100,000 mile limit no matter anything else.

My car failed at 101,000 miles... it will be interesting to see if the BMW rep will assist in this or not when the time comes. The car has been 'disabled' since April 2019.

I thought you're being sarcastic when you mentioned that your car failed at 101k miles. I hope BMW makes it right...

Unrelated to the above, I haven't read through the whole document but wondering if it says anything regarding preventative change?

[Pauloxxi]

Originally Posted by GreyF30

Unrelated to the above, I haven't read through the whole document but wondering if it says anything regarding preventative change?

It is very complicate to prove BMW the problem really existed, moreover if the service was done by independent mechanic.

[Silverlining_m2]

I wondered if I'd regret my BM3 tune because it would void any possible timing chain warranty extension.


Glad I went ahead and did it. My car would only be covered till 3/2021 anyway. Might just pay to have it done at my indy if I'm gonna keep it much longer than that. My quote with valve covers included was $2400

[sjbender]

PACER entries for 8/27/2020:

Full docket text for document 73:
BRIEF In Support of Preliminary Approval re [72] Motion by All Plaintiffs. (Attachments: # (1) Letter to Judge Waldor with Corrected Brief)(GRAIFMAN, GARY) Modified on 8/27/2020 (dam, ).

Full docket text:
Set Deadlines as to [72] Plaintiffs' MOTION for Settlement and Preliminary Approval. Motion set for 9/21/2020 before Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor. Unless otherwise directed by the Court, this motion will be decided on the papers and no appearances are required. Note that this is an automatically generated message from the Clerk's Office and does not supersede any previous or subsequent orders from the Court. (dam, )

[Solidjake]

Purchased the kit off FCP. Will get it in in a month or two.

[chrisca70]

Originally Posted by Pauloxxi

Don't you agree, this is TOO MUCH SHIT for a problem that is undeniably a poor design, a lack of common sense, and the greedy race for cost reductions at BMW?

TOTALLY Agree!! and don't forget that the turbos on these things start going out right after 50k miles, which is another $3000-5000 repair that is not covered under anything, (except if you are in CA you get the emissions warranty until 70k). No matter what, modern BMWs are disposable...

[Phoenix704]

Agreed - 80/8 is a pretty useless settlement. Would urge folks to contact the attorney handling this.

https://www.kgglaw.com/attorneys/gary-s-graifman-esq/

[PK2348]

Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5

I think there's a huge difference between your ... say... alternator failing at 65k miles and your engine failing.

of course there is a difference. but warranty terms are what they are. expectations are generally not legally enforceable