[luckstr]

Originally Posted by TylerMcCraw

They were 580$ shipped compared to 1200 for the PS4S lol.

Mind we're $707 out the door at a Firestone store. Tire Rack was $603 with tax but when I added install, etc it ended up $727.

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by luckstr

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How much were they? Certainly, they won't drive as well as the PS4S, which is a Max Performance Tire while the FFI500 is only an Ultra High Performance Tire. I'm really impressed with the PS4S as well as the more affordable Continental ECS. At that price point though, it's hard to deny the FI500! Looking forward to you comparison at or near the limit!
They were 580$ shipped compared to 1200 for the PS4S lol.
Mind we're $707 out the door at a Firestone store. Tire Rack was $603 with tax but when I added install, etc it ended up $727.

My PS4S were just over 1k out the door at Costco with their $150 off Michelin promotion. That including mount/balance, road hazard protection, etc. Maybe its just me but i will happily pay $300 more for the PS4S over the 500s. I drive about 6-7k miles a year, so even if i get only 20k miles out of them, thats $300 over 3 years, less than $10 a month to have better tires. This also is not accounting for them honoring the 30k mileage warranty if i were to get a replacement set, which would bring the price down to about the same as the 500s.

Just my logic

Now if you are looking for a consumable set of tires and are less concerned with max performance, maybe the 500s are for you. For a well priced track day tire though, i might go with something like federal 595 RSRR.

[luckstr]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

My PS4S were just over 1k out the door at Costco with their $150 off Michelin promotion. That including mount/balance, road hazard protection, etc. Maybe its just me but i will happily pay $300 more for the PS4S over the 500s. I drive about 6-7k miles a year, so even if i get only 20k miles out of them, thats $300 over 3 years, less than $10 a month to have better tires. This also is not accounting for them honoring the 30k mileage warranty if i were to get a replacement set, which would bring the price down to about the same as the 500s.

Just my logic

Now if you are looking for a consumable set of tires and are less concerned with max performance, maybe the 500s are for you. For a well priced track day tire though, i might go with something like federal 595 RSRR.

I, like you, drive 6-7k mi/yr, most of it back and forth to golf and shopping. Do not track car, not my thing. I figured with the way I drive, it was worth trying these 500's. Before I retired I was driving around 100 mi/ day and in that case I would always try to get best tires. Time will tell, here. At least I got rid of run-flats.
UPDATE: Just drove back from Firestone store with the new Indy 500's on car. I think I got a great deal; Tires, Instl/balancing/etc/ Road Hazard Warranty/4 wheel alignment - $802.79. Not one mark on wheels, no marks on car. Time will tell now. Only concern is that they put 36psi in front (same as door placard), 44psi in rear (door placard day 41); I told them I thought that this was too high, especially the rears, but I will adjust if necessary and bring car back for tire wear check in 5,000 miles. Thanks everyone for responses.

[Logicoeur]

Originally Posted by KrazyMOFO365

I've been running these tires for 3k miles now. They work well in the rain. I did about 65-75 mph in a downpour. I haven't taken it to the track, but spirited driving in the canyons, it handles incredibly well compared to OEM tires I had. For the price, I don't think it can be beat! Runner up would be Sumitomos HTR-ZIII's.

I have these sumitomos on my summer wheels. They came as a set used and planning to jump to what is likely the 500s when they are trashed this summer ( planning a couple HPDEs). So far the sumitomos have been quite nice but the rest of the year I am on Dunlop winters so not much to compare to. On previous cars I would always run continental DWS.

[Randy Johnson]

I went with the Indy 500 tires and am already in need of replacement in just over 2 years/16k miles. I drive aggressive/spiritedly but do not track. I'll be checking costco for a decent set of summer tire.

[Desertnate]

Costco will have Michelin PS4S or maybe a BF Goodrich tire.

FYI. About a month ago I checked with them for a replacement set of PS4S for my car and in my 19" OEM staggered size Costco was sold out nation-wide. I couldn't order them on-line and my local Costco didn't have any in inventory in the right size. Not sure if that has improved recently.

[5w20]

Originally Posted by FastF30

From all my research... unless your gonna track every weekend and like to be extra aggressive... the FireHawks are the way to go... I've also noticed that the tread wear number is a good indication of grip...Hoosier Dot Drag tire=40... Hoosier Autocross Race only=40... typical race/street is around 200.... Ps4= 320 ....FireHawks= 340..... almost seems like a direct relation to how many miles to expect also out of them with normal wear and tear... basically times it by a 100 and theirs your rough estimate of miles....

All the reviews etc..etc... you can't beat'em for the price...will be my next tire...

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

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There's no industry standard for treadwear rating, it is left up to the tire manufacturer to interpret themselves. So a 200 treadwear rating for Yokohama isn't the same as a 200 treadwear rating for Michelin.

[WDE82]

Right now Indy 500s are $725 on Tire Rack and PS4S are $1070 (or $998 with rebate) for my car. $350 is not much more to pay for the best tire in its class. I don't drive many miles anymore so whatever tire I buy, I will be stuck with for several years. I've had the PSS and PS4S on my E82 and they were phenomenal. I see no reason to try to save a little dough.

Originally Posted by luckstr

I, like you, drive 6-7k mi/yr, most of it back and forth to golf and shopping. Do not track car, not my thing. I figured with the way I drive, it was worth trying these 500's. Before I retired I was driving around 100 mi/ day and in that case I would always try to get best tires. Time will tell, here. At least I got rid of run-flats.
UPDATE: Just drove back from Firestone store with the new Indy 500's on car. I think I got a great deal; Tires, Instl/balancing/etc/ Road Hazard Warranty/4 wheel alignment - $802.79. Not one mark on wheels, no marks on car. Time will tell now. Only concern is that they put 36psi in front (same as door placard), 44psi in rear (door placard day 41); I told them I thought that this was too high, especially the rears, but I will adjust if necessary and bring car back for tire wear check in 5,000 miles. Thanks everyone for responses.

You bring the car in for a tire wear check? You know you can do that yourself if you have eyes. Also recommend getting a tread depth gauge. They're like $5.

Originally Posted by 5w20

There's no industry standard for treadwear rating, it is left up to the tire manufacturer to interpret themselves. So a 200 treadwear rating for Yokohama isn't the same as a 200 treadwear rating for Michelin.

False

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifor...uality_Grading

It is a standard test. It is subject to some variation though but tires in the same range are generally comparable in terms of expected life and grip. You can generally expect a 200 TW tire to have more grip than a 300 TW tire. Within a single brand the number is quite accurate. Between brands it's ballpark.

[5w20]

Originally Posted by WDE82

Right now Indy 500s are $725 on Tire Rack and PS4S are $1070 (or $998 with rebate) for my car. $350 is not much more to pay for the best tire in its class. I don't drive many miles anymore so whatever tire I buy, I will be stuck with for several years. I've had the PSS and PS4S on my E82 and they were phenomenal. I see no reason to try to save a little dough.



You bring the car in for a tire wear check? You know you can do that yourself if you have eyes. Also recommend getting a tread depth gauge. They're like $5.



False

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifor...uality_Grading

It is a standard test. It is subject to some variation though but tires in the same range are generally comparable in terms of expected life and grip. You can generally expect a 200 TW tire to have more grip than a 300 TW tire. Within a single brand the number is quite accurate. Between brands it's ballpark.

The treadwear rating is not standardized among all manufacturers. They test themselves under their own conditions.

[WDE82]

Originally Posted by 5w20

The treadwear rating is not standardized among all manufacturers. They test themselves under their own conditions.

It's a standard test mandated by the NHTSA. It can be manipulated a bit and is subject to a decent bit of variation between manufacturers as I already said.

[5w20]

Originally Posted by WDE82

It's a standard test mandated by the NHTSA. It can be manipulated a bit and is subject to a decent bit of variation between manufacturers as I already said.

If there's variation and it's left to be interpreted by the manufacturer, it is NOT standardized period.


I'll leave this here for anyone else reading this or who will read this in the future. I've made my point and they can either believe the truth or your gibberish . This will be my last post on this subject.

[WDE82]

Originally Posted by 5w20

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If there's variation and it's left to be interpreted by the manufacturer, it is NOT standardized period.[/COLOR]


I'll leave this here for anyone else reading this or who will read this in the future. I've made my point and they can either believe the truth or your gibberish . This will be my last post on this subject.

Standard doesn't mean perfectly constrained. That tire rack post basically says what I said.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/575.104#e

[Jvac]

Argument over the standards put aside, I'll say that these are good tires. Sure the Michelin are better, but the difference in price is not negligible. It's over 30% higher for a set, which is money that can be used for other maintenance items, or, say 10 tanks of gas where I live. If money is no object, great. But if you want good performance and don't have unlimited budget, these tires will suit you well. my car is rwd and with dinan stage 2, pushing upwards of maybe 350hp? I have not broken grip once on dry pavement no matter how hard I push the car (on public roads of course). Point being, they do a good job for most people at a substantial discount to the Michelins. I've been meaning to get a look at how they are wearing since it's been a while, so I will post back my mileage and tread depth when I get a chance.

[B58 _gran_coupe_]

Just bought my second full set. I love them. Previously on a stage 2 jetta gli.

These are on a rwd 440i gran coupe

245 front 265 rear, 19 inch with 12mm spacers front, 15mm spacers rear

Msport suspension at stock ride height

[thejeremyman9]

Originally Posted by B58 _gran_coupe_

Just bought my second full set. I love them. Previously on a stage 2 jetta gli.

These are on a rwd 440i gran coupe

245 front 265 rear, 19 inch with 12mm spacers front, 15mm spacers rear

Msport suspension at stock ride height

Are you running a 265 on a 8.5'' wheel?

[B58 _gran_coupe_]

Originally Posted by thejeremyman9

Are you running a 265 on a 8.5'' wheel?

Yes 8.5" on the back 265mm

[TylerMcCraw]

Looks so good!!

[B58 _gran_coupe_]

Absolutely loving the look feel of these on this car after a couple of days. Super happy again

[B58_Ray]

So I have been running my FFI 500s for around 25k mi now. I am stock staggered 225f 255r on my xdrive 340. I can say for a DD these are probably the best bang for the buck. I go to the 1/8 track and these tires do phenomenally well. 0-60 2.91, and a 1/8 in 6.91. Imho they hook better than my older ps4s did. In the twisties these hold their own as well. I'd say just a small decrease in performance than the ps4s, but my suspension has been my limiting factor. Ride quality has been amazing. I'm considering swapping wheel setup to 513m's. If I do, I'm 90% gonna stick with the FFI 500.

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