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      07-13-2020, 05:59 PM   #10187
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I don't think other countries don't have people saying they will shoot contact tracers if they come to their houses either though. I could be wrong.

The FACT is, we have way too many stupid people in our country that don't want to believe what is going on because it is inconvenient. Inconvenience is unamerican it appears. It is going to take a lot of pain to get there and we are nowhere close to what it will take for some people to think critically and accept some inconvenience to save our overall way of life.

The me, me, me culture we have here is the perfect breeding ground for a virus like this.

Almost to a man, the same people you hear rant about socialism are the ones that rant about wearing a mask. It is literally the same thing, I'll do me and fuck everybody else.
I don't think it would be this way if Trump and the GOP were in support of this. The same people who threaten to shoot contact tracers are all about Law and Order (tm) when it is convenient or agrees with their agenda. All Trump would have to do is say that BLM and Antifa are anti contact tracing and the cult would go along with it.

Americans have proven before they can unite in a war against a common enemy. Unfortunately, a large portion of the US is in denial that we are at war with a common enemy simply because the idiot in chief thinks it will harm his reelection odds.
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I don't think it would be this way if Trump and the GOP were in support of this. The same people who threaten to shoot contact tracers are all about Law and Order (tm) when it is convenient or agrees with their agenda. All Trump would have to do is say that BLM and Antifa are anti contact tracing and the cult would go along with it.

Americans have proven before they can unite in a war against a common enemy. Unfortunately, a large portion of the US is in denial that we are at war with a common enemy simply because the idiot in chief thinks it will harm his reelection odds.
True, but then you would have a lot a blue and green haired people going reeeeeee and becoming anti-mask.

Just because we have come together in the past does not mean that we will again anytime soon. Not without some major corrections in people's thinking. For that to happen the loss has to be personal and permanent.

For a lot of people, the impacts of COVID19 happen to other people. The only impact they feel is the restrictions imposed by governors or individual businesses. When loss of a family member or friend comes then it will become real.

Applebees being closed isn't the same as uncle Fred dying alone in the hospital.

But yes, Trump could lead by example.
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      07-13-2020, 06:49 PM   #10189
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It doesn't have to be this way.

The point of the lockdown should be to drive cases low enough to where testing, contact tracing, and isolation can be employed to keep it in check. This has been largely successful in Europe and Asia. Since the US has no appetite to do it correctly, we will continually oscillate between opening and closing when ICU capacity is threatened. This lack of a strategy will cause the maximum loss of life (other than a full opening, I mean) and economic damage.

BTW, that site is aggregating known bad data and using that to form their conclusions on the IFR of the virus. It is likely overestimating seroprevalence and understimating IFR.
We have people (in this thread probably) that would rather listen to Trump and Chuck Woolery than a person like Dr. Fauci. Everyday the idiocy in this country just makes another astounding leap.

The President of the US retweeted an ex game show hosts view on the pandemic over making policy and listening to experts. And millions support this/him still. Apparently it does have to be this way.
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Vox lol .. .now thats a reliable source ...
Look at the author, and look up the credentials. Now compare to your credentials. Who is more reliable and credible?

If you think Dr. Ackerly is lying, send him an email and copy us on that email.
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Dr. Doom should have been dumped months ago. Trump just never fails in surrounding himself with the best people.
Except Trump doesn't have the authority to fire Dr. Doom. Dr. Doom (Fauci) does not serve his role at the pleasure of Trump.
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Shut down food and grocery delivery, amazon, and fedex/ups/USPS and watch support for lockdowns evaporate overnight.
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So one of you were just saying it was opening for business that caused it. If it was the protests then why is it NYC and NJ have been largely spared despite similar protests? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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Shut down food and grocery delivery, amazon, and fedex/ups/USPS and watch support for lockdowns evaporate overnight.
We’ve already proven they are effective without that, so what is the point of this stupid post?
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We’ve already proven they are effective without that, so what is the point of this stupid post?
You're the smart guy, exercise your brain. As you say, not going to spoon feed you.
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You're the smart guy, exercise your brain. As you say, not going to spoon feed you.
As I thought, the post is worthless griping.
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As I thought, the post is worthless griping.
Someone piss in your place and route?
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We have people (in this thread probably) that would rather listen to Trump and Chuck Woolery than a person like Dr. Fauci. Everyday the idiocy in this country just makes another astounding leap.

The President of the US retweeted an ex game show hosts view on the pandemic over making policy and listening to experts. And millions support this/him still. Apparently it does have to be this way.
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Look at the author, and look up the credentials. Now compare to your credentials. Who is more reliable and credible?

If you think Dr. Ackerly is lying, send him an email and copy us on that email.
LOL... Credentials again in this thread. I have none you'd care about. But ,I know what Vox pushes and have no desire to click the link.

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People are tiring of listening to Fauci because his record is unequivocally shitty on sticking with his own advice. You shouldn't listen to a game show host either. These aren't mutually exclusive opinions, but if it makes you feel infinitely superior of intellect, be my guest..
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People are tiring of listening to Fauci because his record is unequivocally shitty on sticking with his own advice. You shouldn't listen to a game show host either. These aren't mutually exclusive opinions, but if it makes you feel infinitely superior of intellect, be my guest..
So if we shouldn’t listen to Fauci, then who?
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Ohhhh, you meant the subject of her made up article..
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I dunno bout you guys but Dr Desantis down here in FL seems to be a good authority on medical matters 😂😂
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It doesn't have to be this way.

The point of the lockdown should be to drive cases low enough to where testing, contact tracing, and isolation can be employed to keep it in check. This has been largely successful in Europe and Asia. Since the US has no appetite to do it correctly, we will continually oscillate between opening and closing when ICU capacity is threatened. This lack of a strategy will cause the maximum loss of life and economic damage.
I don't think other countries don't have people saying they will shoot contact tracers if they come to their houses either though. I could be wrong.

The FACT is, we have way too many stupid people in our country that don't want to believe what is going on because it is inconvenient. Inconvenience is unamerican it appears. It is going to take a lot of pain to get there and we are nowhere close to what it will take for some people to think critically and accept some inconvenience to save our overall way of life.

The me, me, me culture we have here is the perfect breeding ground for a virus like this.

Almost to a man, the same people you hear rant about socialism are the ones that rant about wearing a mask. It is literally the same thing, I'll do me and fuck everybody else.

In America, we've just lost a lot of respect. I think the happenings of 2020 have even made this more pronounced.

When we went to Japan for the first time we were amazed that you have millions of people who ride the train each day and rarely if anyone talks on their phone. They have signs posted asking people not to talk on their phones and we never saw anyone who did. We laughed because we were saying can you imagine telling people in America that they can't talk on their phones on public transportation. I was on the Shinkansen one time and this lady sat next to me with her child. She asked me if I would be upset if her child ate next to me. I could go on about the many other respectful things we experienced while in Japan. The take away from that trip was the realization that we have lost so much respect as a whole here in America. We want what we want when we want it and screw whoever might be in our way while we get it. I'm guilty of this myself at times.

I surely don't have all the answers and each country has its own crap their citizens deal with.

I have really tried to look at both sides (medical & economical) and no matter which way you slice it with this virus one side is getting screwed. No one person has all the answers and this virus is showing us it's a day by day week by week situation.
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So if we shouldn’t listen to Fauci, then who?
You should listen to everyone who has an opinion, look at the available data, and then come to a conclusion. If you really think that having outdoor dining is fine, but outdoor drinks from a bar is somehow different, I don't know what you're hoping to hear from your elected and appointed officials. It's political and not tied to a single scientific fact.
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People are tiring of listening to Fauci because his record is unequivocally shitty on sticking with his own advice. You shouldn't listen to a game show host either. These aren't mutually exclusive opinions, but if it makes you feel infinitely superior of intellect, be my guest..
Hmm, you sure about that........

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