[speedski]

Originally Posted by Rukka

Yes that's right as the car is still in the 6 year window.

You will pay £450 per year until the car is in its 7th year. IE, month 73, the car will drop to £140 per year. It's not from the date you bought it. It's from the day it was registered.

Sorry if I have misunderstood you.

Nope, thats still not right.

The tax begins with the second purchased tax - not in the second year - If the car was registered in June and bought by me in July I would pay the premium for 5 years from that point - so at the end of 61 months I would revert to the standard road tax without the £310 premium.

In my personal case
Registered in June
Bought by me in December 2017
Taxed by me in December 2017 as tax can no longer be transferred
Current Tax therefore will expire at the end of November 2018

In terms of timelines

Registered = 0 Months
Bought by Me = 6 Months (give or take)
Tax Premium starts with my purchase and goes for 5 years (5 x 12 = 60)
That brings me to month 66 of car age.
So I will stop paying the premium on month 67 onwards (as its 5 years from the date of second tax purchase)

[speedski]

Originally Posted by Rukka

Just re-read the dvla pages and it's misleading.

They say "from the second time the car is taxed" - they are assuming that this is after 12 months. Not being taxed twice in the first 12 months....

I think thats you assuming that - thats what I am trying to explain

If you look at my screenshot it clearly shows on the Road Tax status page the 5 years starts with the second tax payment, whenever that may be.

The premium charge kicks in the second time its taxed - not on the second year of ownership (unless you have owned the car from new).

[goodbyalfa]

Originally Posted by speedski

Sorry Rukka but i'm not wrong...

I bought a 6 month old car, on delivery date I paid the £310 surcharge and Road Tax - from that point I have to pay it for four more years.

Remember road tax doesn't transfer - so the £310 applies from the second time the car is taxed - not the year - 6 months in I bought the car and had to pay the £310 tax - four more times from November 2018 takes me to the November 2022 its due to be paid.

Here's a screenshot of my tax status, note tax due date, registered date and duration of the 5 year £310 premium...

Bit of a faux path there. 4 cylinder diesel over the 40k rip off tax window...

[speedski]

Originally Posted by goodbyalfa

Bit of a faux path there. 4 cylinder diesel over the 40k rip off tax window...

I didn't pay anywhere near 40K for it.

I saved a significant amount on new

[Tengocity]

After all that I'm still none the wiser!

[AlwynMike]

So basically, if you're buying a new car, ti keep for a few years, it will be taxed, but cash the tax in before the end of the first month.
Get a refund of the tax.
Your end of premium tax will be brought forward by 11 months.
In the example by #speedski , his car is older than mine by 3 months, but my premium period ends 9 months after his.

Why didn't this thread start back in August???

[speedski]

What does the road tax page say for you?

I rang them to confirm what the deal was before I paid it - confirmed the end date is 5 years from the date of second tax payment - whenever that is.

[FSE23]

Ok, so does it mean that a car is taxed twice in year one ? Or dealer which registered it in the first place gets the tax refunded?

[speedski]

Originally Posted by FSE23

Ok, so does it mean that a car is taxed twice in year one ? Or dealer which registered it in the first place gets the tax refunded?

Correct.

Road Tax can no longer be transferred, any unused portion is refunded.

The car could be taxed as many times as needed per year now that its not transferable.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by AlwynMike

So basically, if you're buying a new car, ti keep for a few years, it will be taxed, but cash the tax in before the end of the first month.
Get a refund of the tax.
Your end of premium tax will be brought forward by 11 months.
In the example by #speedski , his car is older than mine by 3 months, but my premium period ends 9 months after his.

Why didn't this thread start back in August???

Why would this help?

You won't get a portion of the 'first registration fee' or whatever it's called back, just a portion of the £140 VED. You'll then re-tax the car paying both £140 + £310......No?

All you've achieved is speeding up the year 2 to year 6 additional 'luxury car' tax counter.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

All you've achieved is speeding up the year 2 to year 6 additional 'luxury car' tax counter.

Yep, this could be a bonus for someone buying the car at just over 5 years old though, as they might not have to pay the extra £310 then.

[AlwynMike]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

You won't get a portion of the 'first registration fee' or whatever it's called back, just a portion of the £140 VED. You'll then re-tax the car paying both £140 + £310......No?

Do you get a portion of the £140 only or £140 + £310??
I would imagine a portion of both.

What about tax refund in year 2, 3 or 4 - portion of £140 or £450??

[Rukka]

Originally Posted by AlwynMike

Do you get a portion of the £140 only or £140 + £310??
I would imagine a portion of both.

What about tax refund in year 2, 3 or 4 - portion of £140 or £450??

You get a portion of the £140 + £310 back in the first year - or any year for that matter if the VED totalled £450 in the "luxury" tax.

As has been said, you don't get any of the first year registration fee back.

I know this for sure as I've done it twice in the last 3 months! IE, return a brand new car that was over £40k list.


It's nothing new. We've been getting automatic refunds for the past 4 years when we trade a car in.

[stefan4]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

After all that I'm still none the wiser!

you would have to tax the car. tax is non transferable so you would have to pay £450 on collection, the original owner I.e the dealer on a pre reg gets the rebate.

[Three Bell Load]

Originally Posted by Rukka

You get a portion of the £140 + £310 back in the first year - or any year for that matter if the VED totalled £450 in the "luxury" tax.

As has been said, you don't get any of the first year registration fee back.

I know this for sure as I've done it twice in the last 3 months! IE, return a brand new car that was over £40k list.


It's nothing new. We've been getting automatic refunds for the past 4 years when we trade a car in.

I'm just in the process of buying a pre-reg.
The initial tax when new in April was £830.
I rang DVLA and they told me I'll pay £140 on collection.
The car is below the 40k threshold.

[Rukka]

Originally Posted by Three Bell Load

I'm just in the process of buying a pre-reg.
The initial tax when new in April was £830.
I rang DVLA and they told me I'll pay £140 on collection.
The car is below the 40k threshold.

Yep - thats dead right