[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Highlander Hybrid. For those unaware, another 3 row family SUV, perhaps more of a crossover. Pretty much made the segment in the US over two decades and just introduced here with the 4th gen. Third of a million a year shifted globally and no doubt the UK will add a third of a hundred to that.

That said, deal is not done, just need to get that second look at one. Which is easier said than done as they are thin on the ground. Numbers work, better by the day, and I'm ready to sign on the dotted line.

sounds like a great option, especially given the price your current motor is fetching!

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

Had to google this, but have to say it looks like a good option but was not on my radar at all when I went for the X5.

My only issue with it is the symmetrical rear numberplate....

Yes, it only launched this year here. I'd have had it on the shortlist for sure if it had been around when I ordered the Disco(s).

I need to Google for a company that sells a kit to offset the number plate to the correct lopsided look. There must be dozens that do that

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

sounds like a great option, especially given the price your current motor is fetching!

Yes, the on-topic part of this is that I put £15k deposit into Disco1 in mid-2019, have only made 18 monthly payments over the two cars (rejection deal saved six months) and am now around £16-17k in equity. If only it always worked like this!

[Sennen]

Originally Posted by AyrshireColin

This was along the lines of something I looked at when ordering the 8GC. I know this is completely the wrong mindset to have, but I was sitting on the fence trying to decide if I should go X3 > 8GC and out of curiosity went and looked at approved used cars on the BMW website, picked out a couple of examples (demos?) that were 21 plates with 1,500-2,000 miles on them, plunked the registrations into WBAC and they were paying out more than what I am on a factory order!

As I said I know it’s the wrong mindset to have but I’ll call it my safety net.

It is a crazy world........... mine has just shy of 5000 miles on it too.

I am in two minds what to do, i think the prices will hold out for a while longer but I may be kicking myself in 2 years time (i usually change every 2.5 years) when it has possibly plumetted to £35k, which would equate to a £20k swing!!!

The '8' is a great car and you will love it, it is on a completely different level to an X3. The only issue for me is how big it is, back in June up in the Lakes and down in darkest Cornwall it was a real pain to navigate around the tiny lanes.... and the GC is even bigger

I will sleep on it.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Yes, the on-topic part of this is that I put £15k deposit into Disco1 in mid-2019, have only made 18 monthly payments over the two cars (rejection deal saved six months) and am now around £16-17k in equity. If only it always worked like this!

One in stock in St Albans, you know 2 birds one stone and all that!

[M33DLO]

My 340i is still increasing on WBAC, I get an opportunity to requote every 2 weeks and it goes up 250/500 each time..

If I was to sell at the WBAC figure (but as we all know is questionable once they find a stone chip) it's cost me £116 per month over 24 months to own the 340i. I purchased outright so dont have any lease fees or deposits to calculate, just depreciation.
Not bad considering its done 10k miles more, and has 2 years worth of wear and tear added.

I love owning it and don't want to afford the cost to replace it for anything for the same performance/needs, so it's staying for the near future at least.

[3-GT]

Interesting and hardly surprising.

BMW to keep prices high when chip crisis ends.

https://www.ft.com/content/f55a1d96-...5-873e61754ec6

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by 3-GT

Interesting and hardly surprising.

BMW to keep prices high when chip crisis ends.

https://www.ft.com/content/f55a1d96-...5-873e61754ec6

I can't read it without a subscription unfortunately.

It's all very well saying you're going to keep prices high, but unless they plan to maintain lower volumes then I don't see how that will work.
I'd be all for them doing so, as I'd probably rather the manufacturers built less cars, and maintained stronger residuals, and we would all use less of the world's resources perhaps.

However, I'm not convinced they'll be able to stick to it.

[3-GT]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

I can't read it without a subscription unfortunately.

It's all very well saying you're going to keep prices high, but unless they plan to maintain lower volumes then I don't see how that will work.
I'd be all for them doing so, as I'd probably rather the manufacturers built less cars, and maintained stronger residuals, and we would all use less of the world's resources perhaps.

However, I'm not convinced they'll be able to stick to it.

Ye I'm not convinced either, suppose it'll depend on what the competition does. Unfortunately according to the article Daimler have pledged the same.

[Tengocity]

Thanks for sharing the copy. Sounds like they plan to keep lower volumes then, which is fine with me if they actually do it.

Porsche can do it, but they build about a tenth the cars that the big 3 Germans do.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Thanks for sharing the copy. Sounds like they plan to keep lower volumes then, which is fine with me if they actually do it.

Porsche can do it, but they build about a tenth the cars that the big 3 Germans do.

I've been thinking the same since the middle of last year. That once the manufacturers had discovered a new lower volume model that worked profitably, and crucially had the air cover to make the tough decisions that would have been unpalatable before 2020, they would stick with it.

[DB118D]

I was considering changing the wife's year old VW Polo.

According to WBAC and similar, it's now worth more than I paid for it and there is at least £4k equity in it, meaning she could be in a T-Cross Black Edition (I know, but she likes them) with much better spec for the same payment give or take a few quid a month.

Then you factor in supply is 20 weeks - 6 months depending on which dealer you speak to and it all starts to become a little more risky on the equity front

Does anyone have a VW version of TRL with a field full of stock cars I can speak to?!

[Blacktemplar]

My M40i is going up by £150-200 a week at the moment. Currently sitting at almost £4K equity

I’m going to look at the EV6 this week, and will probably eyeball the Ioniq 5 as well.

There’s still some decent support out there for the iX3 though it’s RWD only and only on CarWow’s ‘consider’ list... John Clark Group are doing £599 deposit/ £599 pm with £5.9K dealer contribution & 2.9% apr

[MY340i]

surely that would make more people hop off the PCP wagon...

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

My M40i is going up by £150-200 a week at the moment. Currently sitting at almost £4K equity

I’m going to look at the EV6 this week, and will probably eyeball the Ioniq 5 as well.

There’s still some decent support out there for the iX3 though it’s RWD only and only on CarWow’s ‘consider’ list... John Clark Group are doing £599 deposit/ £599 pm with £5.9K dealer contribution & 2.9% apr

Yes they're clearing out the (few) pre LCI ix3's as there is the update coming through with the interior and exterior tweaks as per the main X3. Nothing wrong with the current one and I agree think its reasonable value but range and non Tesla charging not a great combo for me.

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Yes they're clearing out the (few) pre LCI ix3's as there is the update coming through with the interior and exterior tweaks as per the main X3. Nothing wrong with the current one and I agree think its reasonable value but range and non Tesla charging not a great combo for me.

Yes, decent enough but as you say pre-LCI and range of less than 200-miles is awkward. Even though 80%+ of my journeys these days are local or less than 50 miles round trip, I want to have something that will accommodate the modest number of trips we make over 150 miles one-way to the country.

I think for me it's going to end up being a trade-off between a number of things if I go full EV;

• price (list or supported) & financing
• range
• charge rate & network availability, particularly in rural Scotland
• size - need to accommodate kids/sports gear/occasional suitcases & wardrobes
• warranty - especially if I keep it
• specification
• badge

Every EV offering seems to represent a compromise in some area, it's just deciding which ones are red lines and which aren't.

My M40i ticks pretty much every box for me, bar the environmental one which I have to confess has become more front of mind this past year. That and the fact that the car principally makes short inefficient journeys these days.

Of course being in +ve equity also has a bearing as that's not likely to remain the longer term position so if I want to get off the ICE hamster wheel now it seems like a sensible thing to do.

But then again, does "sensible" not break the rules of this forum? Maybe I should be looking to get an X3M or an M4.....

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Blacktemplar

Yes, decent enough but as you say pre-LCI and range of less than 200-miles is awkward. Even though 80%+ of my journeys these days are local or less than 50 miles round trip, I want to have something that will accommodate the modest number of trips we make over 150 miles one-way to the country.

I think for me it's going to end up being a trade-off between a number of things if I go full EV;

• price (list or supported) & financing
• range
• charge rate & network availability, particularly in rural Scotland
• size - need to accommodate kids/sports gear/occasional suitcases & wardrobes
• warranty - especially if I keep it
• specification
• badge

Every EV offering seems to represent a compromise in some area, it's just deciding which ones are red lines and which aren't.

My M40i ticks pretty much every box for me, bar the environmental one which I have to confess has become more front of mind this past year. That and the fact that the car principally makes short inefficient journeys these days.

Of course being in +ve equity also has a bearing as that's not likely to remain the longer term position so if I want to get off the ICE hamster wheel now it seems like a sensible thing to do.

But then again, does "sensible" not break the rules of this forum? Maybe I should be looking to get an X3M or an M4.....

Spot on all that.

Headline range figures are all well and good too but in our locations it's cold which will already drop it but for single stop journey it's 40% off almost as you ideally want to be between 20-80% charge.

This the smaller range cars (to me anything under TM3 LR 360) and you're almost anxious over 120 mile journeys.

[Nibbles]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Spot on all that.

Headline range figures are all well and good too but in our locations it's cold which will already drop it but for single stop journey it's 40% off almost as you ideally want to be between 20-80% charge.

This the smaller range cars (to me anything under TM3 LR 360) and you're almost anxious over 120 mile journeys.

Roof rack with one of these on the top. Problem sorted.

https://www.energygeneratorsales.co....-petrol-fusion

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Nibbles

Roof rack with one of these on the top. Problem sorted.

https://www.energygeneratorsales.co....-petrol-fusion

Hmm rather than a roof rack maybe it could fit in the Frunk, just you know a petrol motor under the hood up front. Seems familiar?

[Blacktemplar]

Maybe wouldn’t work in Scotland....

https://electrek.co/2019/07/05/toyot...ctric-car/amp/

[Blacktemplar]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Spot on all that.

Headline range figures are all well and good too but in our locations it's cold which will already drop it but for single stop journey it's 40% off almost as you ideally want to be between 20-80% charge.

This the smaller range cars (to me anything under TM3 LR 360) and you're almost anxious over 120 mile journeys.

For me that’s the main issue - I really don’t like the look of Teslas, and the shape/size is no good for what I need. So far nothing else comes close to the LR in terms of range, but maybe offerings from the likes of Kia & Hyundai are starting to get there, albeit without the supercharger network support.

[DB118D]

Originally Posted by DB118D

I was considering changing the wife's year old VW Polo.

According to WBAC and similar, it's now worth more than I paid for it and there is at least £4k equity in it, meaning she could be in a T-Cross Black Edition (I know, but she likes them) with much better spec for the same payment give or take a few quid a month.

Then you factor in supply is 20 weeks - 6 months depending on which dealer you speak to and it all starts to become a little more risky on the equity front

Does anyone have a VW version of TRL with a field full of stock cars I can speak to?!

An update from yesterday

Made contact with the dealer who supplied the Polo originally to see what they could offer. As expected, they started high, but laid out what I'd been offered by Drive the Deal (who won't take PX), C2C and CarWow.

They've put together a deal meaning delivery in January (probably slip slightly due to Xmas shutdowns). No cash in from me, taking the Polo in PX and the payment is the same within £0.80 per month. They'll stand on that deal until delivery.

To me, it's free money. I'm getting back every penny of the deposit I put into the Polo originally, plus another £2k or so. Then getting in to a much more expensive car with far better spec for no additional outlay.