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I ended up taking the car to a different BMW dealership (with a stock intake) for a 2nd opinion, the car has been there for about a week and I have yet to hear back from them.
Not sure if I should get a Lemon attorney involved now or wait until they call me with some sort of response..
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This is a load of shit, simple intake doesn't cause your engine to go boom. We are not speaking about nos here, hell you could drive your car without a filter and it wont go boom as fast as yours went boom with just a intake. Load of chicken shit from the dealer!!!
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Had pretty much the same experience with my car two months earlier. Car started misfiring, changed out the spark plugs because I didn't want the dealer touching my car (previous bad experience). Took the car out for test drive and found no boost and pile of blue smoke coming out. Towed it in the next day. A week went by, the dealership started replacing my injectors, couple of seals and finally a water temp sensor. Didn't help. So they took out the head and sent it to a machine shop, didn't work. Finally they replaced the engine under warranty after the car been sitting there for two months. When I went to pick up the car, SA told me BMW just paid 26k in parts and it was in fact the injector fail that costed the engine.
I had awe mid pipe and mpe on the car along with a crazy wrap on it, and my SA told me that when BMW see something like that they get excited and looked at every inch of the car to try and find anything they can to void the warranty. I hope OP get away with it this time, but it's gonna be a tough fight |
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Your corrosion/rust warranty has been voided due to a wrap.
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Adding to the discussion. Very interested in OP's outcome. Hope all will be well.
My 2017 BMW 440i GC was built in July 2016, one of the first 2017 440i GC leaving Dingolfing assembly line. So far, B58 has been exceptional. I was following all comments about disappointment with dealer' initial response, "not going to cover the cost due to modifications". No wants to hear this especially considering the cost. The real question is however whether it's prudent to determine the risk / reward _before_ any important action. I have seen multiple instances of both cases: - Enthusiast who leased the vehicle, installed lots of modifications, and then fought warranty denial decisions. He lost and had to pay for repairs and give up the car anyway. Lesson learned: what modifications are prudent while leasing? - Enthusiast who installed cosmetic modifications during the warranty period and then focused on serious performance modifications after warranty ended. The risk / reward was in his opinion more than acceptable. |
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Couple of things to consider:
1) Is the intake CARB approved? If not, that could be why the dealer and BMW are getting stroppy. 2) In SoCal, the OP cannot get proper premium, just the 91 Octane swill they call premium. If the intake install did cause a lean condition for some reason, the lower octane gas would not help. |
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#1 The stock air filter allows more air to pass than the engine can ingest so there's no benefit to using a 1950's era tech air filter.
#2 With the low compression the dealer is essentially saying your air filter allowed dirt to score the cylinder wall or there was a problem with the install where the filter was not seated correctly and dirt was ingested that way.
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While the OEM Mann oil filter is probably identical, the savings of the OEM part for the powertrain is so minuscule over the life of the car. The OEM filter is at most $3 less than the genuine BMW filter. It's not worth taking the risk on an OEM part for the powertrain. Easy to reach engine sensors may be a different story if its failure won't usually result in catastrophic engine failure. Catastrophic powertrain failures are the most expensive repairs. Why even bother taking a chance on an OEM part for no significant savings? |
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And again, I'm not talking about equivalent parts. I'm talking about aftermarket. Because if that same car had aftermarket components like a catch can, they could void the warranty. And that is really messed up because 1. the owner is screwed on an issue they didn't cause and 2. BMW just ignores the issue rather than doing a proper investigation that could prevent it from happening again. I mean for all we know it could have happened a year ago to someone else but it got brushed under the rug because they had a downpipe. And now you go for extended periods of time letting marginal parts pass. So who's to say the same won't happen to a slew of cars just outside of the warranty period? Just because they didn't want to do one repair, now they risk leaving a bad taste in the mouth of countless other owners. I haven't done any powertrain modifications to my car because I don't feel like dealing with the hassle in case something does happen. But I also recognize how stupid it is the way it currently works. Someone in another thread swapped OEM 19s on their car, and the dealer is voiding his warranty because the car came with 18s from the factory. I mean really? |
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I stayed away from powertrain modifications since I purchased the 5 year 100k mile BMW Platinum extended warranty. It paid for itself. I was able to get an automatic transmission replacement, oil pan gasket replacement, and oil filter housing gasket replacement. If I had an aftermarket tune, warranty would not have covered the transmission replacement which is $7k in parts. I purchased the warranty because I've been tracking the car extensively. I was likely to be one of the 1% of use cases where I would benefit more from the warranty than BMW. |
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As far as tracking the car, sure. But when you bring it into the dealership for a powertrain failure and the powertrain is stock (no tunes, etc.), it require a higher level of effort from BMW to determine that you tracked your car compared to just visually inspecting that you have a catless downpipe and programmatically determining that your ECU has been modified. |
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And I respect what you're saying about tracking the car, but that doesn't change the fact that If the OP swapped his OEM intake back on, they would have found the problem. Just because they can easily cop out of the repair, they do it. Not because it's the right thing to do, but because it's the easy thing to do. That shouldn't be the case. Apparently that's only my opinion and most every one else thinks these loopholes and circumstantial situations are all all reasonable. |
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Thanks for getting back to me. I dropped my car off today at the dealer for transfer case replacement and also knocking and vibration on cold start that started yesterday. Still waiting for them to get back to me on What might be the problem. Once warmed all seemed fine, no knock, vibration. I am worried...
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Let's take this particular scenario. You buy a Mann (non-BMW but compatible) oil filter to be used in your BMW. You install that oil filter and the Mann oil filter's media breaks apart and gets sucked into the crank case. Your BMW engine is damaged because the Mann oil filter has failed. Assume this is a case where it's clear that the non-BMW part was the root cause of the failure. BMW is not responsible for that damage. It was not a BMW part that caused the failure. It was a Mann part that caused the engine failure. Therefore, you, as the consumer, would have to go to Mann to seek damages. I think you're mis-understanding that case with one in which a BMW part fails and they deny your warranty because you used a Mann oil filter. Is this clear now? |
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Most parts are not made by BMW. It's all purchased by BMW and then rebranded. So I don't know the brand that makes the OEM filter, but like you said it might be Mann. Typically for something as high volume as a filter, it could be more than one supplier. If the filter is found to be a Mann filter, then they (BMW) would seek damages from the supplier (Mann or otherwise). On the corporate end, the next step is BMW has to prove that the part failed due to a manufacturing defect as well. They'll go back and forth until they come to an agreement, or sometimes the cost is just split down the middle when no resolution is found. So again, none of it is just cut and dry as far as who owns the cost. But at no point does the owner have to seek damages from specific parties when using OEM compatible parts. As a supplier for an OEM, you sign a contract to get the designs that are needed to make compatible parts and promise to support these kinds of warranty claims. That is what allows you to sell the parts under an OEM part number. That goes for every supplier that you see listed on sites like ECS, Rockauto, etc. |
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