NEW RELEASE: DINANTRONICS Elite (340i / 440i)

goj · 02-26-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

Dynos of other tunes have B58 stock avg torque around 330 ftlb ~4000rpm
Why is the above chart showing 360? This tends to indicate the #s are inflated over other tunes by about 30 ftlb.. though still respectable..
Sorry just noticed the #s are at the crank so makes more sense..
so the output is somewhere between a JB4 and the Active-8
and I guess the sell is you get to keep the stock warranty

My guess is that drivability will be better with the Dinan versus the others.

Also Dinan is close to MPPSK numbers. This honestly appeals to me since I have MPE already. It may also appeal if someone doesn't want a louder exhaust.

iMinLuv · 02-26-2017, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BASELINE

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Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

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Originally Posted by Gitte

Dinan, do you just dyno one car or do you take an average of results on a number of test vehicles?

Average a few test vehicles. Usually the bulk of development is done on a single or pair of vehicles and then as its near finalization we institute it on a handful of other vehicles as a more indicative wide scale test to make sure there are no major anomalies that were not represented in those initial car(s)

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Originally Posted by goj

Gotta love the only California legal full tune!

Technically not CA emissions legal yet. Submitted to CARB but no official EO yet.

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Originally Posted by toybm

Dinan_Engineering

Ignoring warranty, carb cert, expandability and strictly looking at performance/reliabilty, what makes this any better than the Sport Tuner as their max hp gains are 5hp apart?
Does this do a better job of getting those 40/45 hp and is this considered more reliable/safer by vertue of how it functions?

Thanks

If we are ignoring the vast majority of what makes ELITE different then SPORT then yes ELITE is basically SPORT. =)

While peak numbers and max gains are very similar between the 2 units the extra control the ELITE tuner possesses by virtue of processing power as well as integration in to more variables allows that power to be more consistent and measured as well as assist in drivability. Its more refined whereas SPORT is a blunt instrument for lack of a better analogy.

If you compare charts between the 2 products the SPORT unit after 4500 RPM loses a decent chunk of its luster whereas the ELITE unit holds the power much further without any significant loss. While most may only care about the low end grunt as they are doing drag races or the like and don't utilize that upper RPM if you are doing any track days or autocross or what have you the upper RPM power and consistency can be much more valuable and important then that low end grunt.

As far as reliability goes... it comes down to more about control then reliability. Both units are reliable but the SPORT unit controls ONE variable so doesn't really have much free play in it in terms of troubleshooting or customizing. With ELITE we have more control and can play around and adjust more parameters. We have a bigger sandbox to play in so to speak.

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Originally Posted by KD07

Is the 412 hp and 438 tq at the crank? So really about 350 whp and 372 wtq? Considering a 15% adjustment to the wheels? Just trying to justify the +47 hp and +60 tq gain. Or with the 15% adjustment, about +40 whp and +51 wtq. I've seen multiple dynos of a fully stock 340i put down around 320 whp and 330 wtq like you stated in your graph, so just wondering where these numbers are coming from and how they were determined. Just rough numbers btw, no serious calculations involved with my math...I understand that 15% adjustment differs case to case. Maybe the 381/386 is your crank power measure stock?

All numbers you see published from Dinan are crank measurements, including the stock ones.

In general terms drivetrain loss on the newer cars is about 12-13%. At the wheels with the tune you are looking at roughly 370HP / 400 (stock was 340 HP / 350 TRQ). The peak numbers and max gains dont necessarily coincide at the same point though. The graph illustrates everything about as plainly as possible. Much easier to illustrate then explain as numbers can be twisted in a variety of different ways.

Why can't you guys just produce an actual dyno of your products.... instead of going back and forth with "estimated guesses" for drivetrain loss to explain the crayola dyno chart?

Lmao at crayola dyno chart

iMinLuv · 02-27-2017, 08:12 AM

@Dinan_Engineering
Do you have a rough idea when stage 2 will come out with Intake?

Dinan_Engineering · 02-27-2017, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by iMinLuv

@Dinan_Engineering
Do you have a rough idea when stage 2 will come out with Intake?

Guessing a date with carbon involved is a losing proposition.

insanecoder · 02-27-2017, 07:38 PM

Has anyone installed this yet for their B58?
A review'd be nice..
I'm assuming its possible to install this yourself without having a Dinan dealer do it for you?

daveyfx · 02-27-2017, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

Has anyone installed this yet for their B58?
A review'd be nice..
I'm assuming its possible to install this yourself without having a Dinan dealer do it for you?

I'm interested in picking one up. I've never dipped my toe in to the Dinan parts bin, and this is also my first BMW. So, n00bing it up here.

Dinan_Engineering is it required that a Dinan installer perform the installation work to keep the warranty intact? My BMW dealer is an authorized installer, but it can't be that difficult to install this.

Definitely interested in doing an actual before/after dyno with this thing too.

insanecoder · 02-28-2017, 09:07 AM

Dinan_Engineering several questions:
1) BMW is telling me that as long as the Dinan tune does not cause an issue it will not void the warranty.. however to me that gets pretty hairy if a fault occurs and service somehow blames it on the Dinan unit then all bets are off it seems.. can you clarify exactly how the warranty works along side the BMW factory warranty and is there an explicit agreement between Dinan and BMW regarding this?
2) the fuel rail pressure sensor you plug into.. is this largely to regulate fuel for emissions purposes?
Thanks

Dinan_Engineering · 02-28-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

Has anyone installed this yet for their B58?
A review'd be nice..
I'm assuming its possible to install this yourself without having a Dinan dealer do it for you?

You can self install if desired.

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Originally Posted by daveyfx

I'm interested in picking one up. I've never dipped my toe in to the Dinan parts bin, and this is also my first BMW. So, n00bing it up here.

Dinan_Engineering is it required that a Dinan installer perform the installation work to keep the warranty intact? My BMW dealer is an authorized installer, but it can't be that difficult to install this.

Definitely interested in doing an actual before/after dyno with this thing too.

Warranty is retained even when self installed with the one caveat that if installation is botched by a non-dealer and causes an issue that can be traced back to the bad install that would not be covered under warranty.

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

Dinan_Engineering several questions:
1) BMW is telling me that as long as the Dinan tune does not cause an issue it will not void the warranty.. however to me that gets pretty hairy if a fault occurs and service somehow blames it on the Dinan unit then all bets are off it seems.. can you clarify exactly how the warranty works along side the BMW factory warranty and is there an explicit agreement between Dinan and BMW regarding this?
2) the fuel rail pressure sensor you plug into.. is this largely to regulate fuel for emissions purposes?
Thanks

Warranty has been the same for 20+ years.... if BMW NA denies a warranty claim due to a Dinan part/modification then we would step in and cover that denied claim. Really as simple as that.

Araemo · 02-28-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by insanecoder

Dinan_Engineering several questions:
1) BMW is telling me that as long as the Dinan tune does not cause an issue it will not void the warranty.. however to me that gets pretty hairy if a fault occurs and service somehow blames it on the Dinan unit then all bets are off it seems.. can you clarify exactly how the warranty works along side the BMW factory warranty and is there an explicit agreement between Dinan and BMW regarding this?
2) the fuel rail pressure sensor you plug into.. is this largely to regulate fuel for emissions purposes?
Thanks

If there was an agreement, you'd hear about it from BMW, not just dinan. Dinan is just putting their money where their mouth is, with respect to safety and reliability. It'd be nice to see other companies go this route, but you can see the results of it in Dinan's prices too, so there is always a tradeoff.

mdai245 · 02-28-2017, 07:07 PM

If I buy stage 1 now and get it installed, what is the procedure for installing stage 2 and 3 down the line?

Does it require another hour of work for each upgrade?

Dinan_Engineering · 03-01-2017, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mdai245

If I buy stage 1 now and get it installed, what is the procedure for installing stage 2 and 3 down the line?

Does it require another hour of work for each upgrade?

You would just take it to a dealer to upgrade the software to the successive stages. Cost would just be the difference in price between those stages. Install cost would be whatever the minimums labor times is for that particular shop (1/2 hour or 1 hour typically).

Gitte · 03-03-2017, 12:32 PM

@Dinan_Engineering any timeline update as to stage 1 for MPPSK?

Dinan_Engineering · 03-03-2017, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gitte

@Dinan_Engineering any timeline update as to stage 1 for MPPSK?

Additional cars coming in this weekend/next week so hopefully in the not so distant future. About as specific/vague as I can get at this time.

daveyfx · 03-03-2017, 05:02 PM

Seems like a safe way to bump up the power a bit. I've ordered this and will do a before/after dyno.

FeelinBlessed · 03-03-2017, 08:54 PM

this is nice

Gitte · 03-03-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyfx

Seems like a safe way to bump up the power a bit. I've ordered this and will do a before/after dyno.

Please keep us updated as to the results!

riskmaker76 · 03-10-2017, 03:55 PM

Can you get them to test both the Elite AND the Sport? Elite is way out of my price range but the sport I would jump on if it said tested and verified with MPPSK.

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Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Additional cars coming in this weekend/next week so hopefully in the not so distant future. About as specific/vague as I can get at this time.

Dinan_Engineering · 03-10-2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by riskmaker76

Can you get them to test both the Elite AND the Sport? Elite is way out of my price range but the sport I would jump on if it said tested and verified with MPPSK.

Had a limited amount of time with the car this week so were focused on ironing out the ELITE tune but did throw on a SPORT for a bit with no ill effects. As expected the run output very close to the same deltas as as the non-MPPSK vehicle with SPORT on it...with max gains of a hair above 30 HP / 40 TRQ (crank). Again, it wasn't a very thorough long term test or anything but given the nature of SPORT the results weren't surprising and basically exactly what we expected.

Since this is the ELITE thread though... Looking for another local MPPSK car to confirm some ELITE testing findings but so far the MPPSK variant looks very good with some small gains in the deltas above and beyond the base B58 ELITE tune.

If anyone knows any bay area MPPSK cars have them reach out to us and we can get the MPPSK version finalized and out to the masses.

FeelinBlessed · 03-10-2017, 08:41 PM

+30/40 on top of MPPSK.... very tempting

daveyfx · 03-14-2017, 10:30 PM

Mine arrived, but it will be a few days before I get it installed. Damn snow storm hit the same day it got here. Plus, I'd like to do a stock run before I install it.

Revelator · 03-15-2017, 08:36 AM

I'm getting my 340 at the end of April and will probably spend the first 6 months breaking it in. It's coming w/ MPPSK so I'm very interested in hearing community feedback on the ELITE testing as they come in. May have to jump on it later this year...

riskmaker76 · 03-15-2017, 06:56 PM

Yep...think this will be a nice addition...

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Originally Posted by FeelinBlessed

+30/40 on top of MPPSK.... very tempting

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