[jh_f30]

Originally Posted by egoflux

I've just bought a 2013 335i xdrive and I can totally feel a difference between eco, comfort, and sport but I haven't really tried out sport plus yet. I want to get to know the car more before turning off all aids but the couple of times I did try it I didn't feel anything noticeable in steering or gearbox and I didn't push it on corners either

Sport+ doesn't turn off all aids, just dials it back a bit and let's the rear step out a little if pushed. Don't worry, you (probably) won't kill yourself.

Edit: oh wait, you said xDrive. Not sure how much slip you'll get.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by jh_f30

Sport+ doesn't turn off all aids, just dials it back a bit and let's the rear step out a little if pushed. Don't worry, you (probably) won't kill yourself.

Edit: oh wait, you said xDrive. Not sure how much slip you'll get.

You can still lose it in the snow or even on tarmac like the M5 sport mode with x drive. It isn't a license to drive like a hooligan. Probably if you go sideways just get on the gas and it is easier to recover with power to the front wheels doing the turning as well as the rears.

[Logicoeur]

Sport+ in pre and lci only differ by the feel of throttle response, but that's entirely because the engines are a bit different. Doubt it's the software making it feel different.


In any case, you can definitely step put the rear in xdrive with sport+. I'd done it a couple times when I'm alone in my work parking garage at the end of the day lol. However I JUST recently discovered the sport transmission mode. Thought moving the shifter over just went into manual. Found out when I was doing some breaking in of my new remus axleback

[bobiam]

Ask a hundred people and you'll get a hundred different answers (even here!).

But I've been wondering, is there a difference between slapping the shifter over to the left or using the Sport or Sport + switch for drivetrain changes. The shifter is certainly more convenient to switch over than fooling around with the mode switch.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by jh_f30

Sport+ doesn't turn off all aids, just dials it back a bit and let's the rear step out a little if pushed. Don't worry, you (probably) won't kill yourself.

Edit: oh wait, you said xDrive. Not sure how much slip you'll get.

(Probably) Took out 14 cones with a tail first dirt excursion at the BMW performance driving school with a RWD M240. It can break loose very quickly if you overpower it.

That said with reasonable care its easy to drift a RWD.

[jh_f30]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Took out 14 cones with a tail first dirt excursion at the BMW performance driving school with a RWD M240. It can break loose very quickly if you overpower it.

That said with reasonable care its easy to drift a RWD.

I'm assuming the M240 has LSD though? How about with std open diff?

[egoflux]

Originally Posted by jh_f30

Sport+ doesn't turn off all aids, just dials it back a bit and let's the rear step out a little if pushed. Don't worry, you (probably) won't kill yourself.

Edit: oh wait, you said xDrive. Not sure how much slip you'll get.

Even if it doesn't I still want to be cautious. Once I'm 100% confident I know the car's dynamics I'll test it out for real. Just waiting for the weekend to take it to so,we nice back roads on the hill country.

PS. I'm loving my bimmer. I graduated to my 335i from a mk7 gti. Can't wait to graduate to a true M

[5mall5nail5]

So today I turned driving mode options such that Sport has no "chassis" enabled - steering was like comfort mode in Sport mode, however, going to Sport+ tightened the steering as well. Just a finding.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by 5mall5nail5

So today I turned driving mode options such that Sport has no "chassis" enabled - steering was like comfort mode in Sport mode, however, going to Sport+ tightened the steering as well. Just a finding.

Yes there is a chassis mode you can select in sport mode. You can also select drivetrain only.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by jh_f30

I'm assuming the M240 has LSD though? How about with std open diff?

Have no idea on the LSD they were the BMW school cars switched back & forth between the same assigned M240 & 340. Were running Continental get flats summers on both, wore out a front set on the M240 over the two days. Also had a few runs is a 440.



The 340's tires also Continental held up, might have been newer to start.

Older 8ZF chart but will give some idea of what is happening. Possible coding variations among models & years.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by egoflux

Even if it doesn't I still want to be cautious. Once I'm 100% confident I know the car's dynamics I'll test it out for real. Just waiting for the weekend to take it to so,we nice back roads on the hill country.

PS. I'm loving my bimmer. I graduated to my 335i from a mk7 gti. Can't wait to graduate to a true M

Find a big box parking lot early Sunday morning & have at it. That said the BMW school is a great place to find out where the "real" edge is so you can stay well away from it on the street. Off road excursions on dirt are a lot better than into trees.

If a local club does Auto-X enter the car, you will learn a lot about its handling in a challenging but safe environment.

Also with summer tires the cars handing will change (deteriorate) with lower winter temperatures.

[egoflux]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Find a big box parking lot early Sunday morning & have at it. That said the BMW school is a great place to find out where the "real" edge is so you can stay well away from it on the street. Off road excursions on dirt are a lot better than into trees.

If a local club does Auto-X enter the car, you will learn a lot about its handling in a challenging but safe environment.

Also with summer tires the cars handing will change (deteriorate) with lower winter temperatures.

Well winter here in Texas is not too extreme so I don't anticipate too much deterioration. I am trying to decide on whether or not to change those run flats for normal tires

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by egoflux

Well winter here in Texas is not too extreme so I don't anticipate too much deterioration. I am trying to decide on whether or not to change those run flats for normal tires

Get go flat summer tires. We have mild winters here too and summers offer better wet weather traction than all seasons.

[egoflux]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Get go flat summer tires. We have mild winters here too and summers offer better wet weather traction than all seasons.

Yeah. I was looking at a good deal on some potenzas and Michelin ps2 until I remembered I had run flats. I guess I'll just buy a donut to use in case of a flat.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by egoflux

Yeah. I was looking at a good deal on some potenzas and Michelin ps2 until I remembered I had run flats. I guess I'll just buy a donut to use in case of a flat.

There are spare tire kits specifically for f30 that are available. I did get my tire damage to my p zeros the other day and it was nice to have run flats where I could just keep driving and not having to stop to swap out the wheel. Drive to the dealer to have it replaced the next day but it took several days to special order the tire and they tried to get the rim replaced but the insurance wouldn't budge so I just got a new tire with a minor kink in the rim apparently.

[movietub]

Originally Posted by bobiam

Ask a hundred people and you'll get a hundred different answers (even here!).

But I've been wondering, is there a difference between slapping the shifter over to the left or using the Sport or Sport + switch for drivetrain changes. The shifter is certainly more convenient to switch over than fooling around with the mode switch.

Yes. One puts the gearbox into manual, the other puts the entire car into spoert mode.

However, for the fastest gear swaps and to lift the rev limit, go into sport+ and gear lever to the left, then obviously change gear using the paddles. It really is as fast as most dsg's in that setup.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by movietub

Yes. One puts the gearbox into manual, the other puts the entire car into spoert mode.

However, for the fastest gear swaps and to lift the rev limit, go into sport+ and gear lever to the left, then obviously change gear using the paddles. It really is as fast as most dsg's in that setup.

Yes I do that too as my daily setup. Sometimes on pot hole ridden roads I'll switch to sport drivetrain only to absorb the bumps better.

[Hammer Werke]

I mostly use Sport because I don't like the orange dash light that Sport+ puts on in my pre-lci. But if someone creeps next to me at a light, and it looks like they might attempt some overtake shenanigans then I will not hesitate to engage SPORT+ (and slam the shifter to the left)

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Hammer Werke

I mostly use Sport because I don't like the orange dash light that Sport+ puts on in my pre-lci. But if someone creeps next to me at a light, and it looks like they might attempt some overtake shenanigans then I will not hesitate to engage SPORT+ (and slam the shifter to the left)

Yes I've left a few cars in the dust doing that.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by egoflux

Well winter here in Texas is not too extreme so I don't anticipate too much deterioration. I am trying to decide on whether or not to change those run flats for normal tires

North Carolina, 18" Monday. Summer tired German cars were TOT. Only thing moving was my 4X4 trucks, 500+ accidents so far. Melt started yesterday, bright full sun, sky is Carolina Blue 47*F, today & driving OK.

Changed the 335is in 1500 miles, really bad ride. Kept the 435 & 440 RFT. With adaptive suspension they are no issue. Handling wise will never push a street car into a zone where the spread between get flats & RFT is reached.

Summers will start to go away around 40*F, not extreme loss but they are starting to change. Personally I drive them all year round in Sport or Sport+, 6MT in 3rd or 4th I just am more aware when its cold out. Car will give you a be careful warning.

Even drive the track tired COBRA all year round.

[SmoothStyle1]

Question: How does the Sport mode with Adaptive Suspension compare to non-Adaptive suspension with M-Sport?

I can't tell if it's stiffer or comparable?

[jh_f30]

Originally Posted by SmoothStyle1

Question: How does the Sport mode with Adaptive Suspension compare to non-Adaptive suspension with M-Sport?

I can't tell if it's stiffer or comparable?

If you don't have adaptive suspension, nothing changes. EcoPro, Comfort, Sport, Sport+...all the same.