335d vs 330d: are the engines physically different?

ac16161 · 11-07-2014, 02:20 PM

Is a 335d a re-mapped 330d, or is there is more to it than that? Anyone know for sure? Sorry if this is well known.

Tengocity · 11-07-2014, 02:28 PM

Yes, they are definitely different. The 335d has 2 turbos to the 330d's 1 turbo. I believe it has a smaller one for quick response low down and then a larger one for higher revs.

Consett Mag · 11-07-2014, 02:28 PM

I would have given BMW an order for a 335d if it wasn't for x drive.
So I'm waiting for a slightly lower powered 330d.

The 335d engine has twin turbos I'm told. Not sure if I could buy a twin turbo unit and bolt it on at some stage. Probably not...

Mattt1 · 11-07-2014, 02:29 PM

More turbos

ac16161 · 11-07-2014, 02:33 PM

Thanks. I found the references to "twin power" on the BMW site unclear, as they use it in relation to the 330d (meaning the type of turbo?), but I could not find anything specific about the 335d.

....,,,,..,,.. · 11-07-2014, 02:53 PM

Twin turbo and EU6 compliant V single turbo and EU5 compliant.

F30Andy · 11-07-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Consett Mag

I would have given BMW an order for a 335d if it wasn't for x drive.
So I'm waiting for a slightly lower powered 330d.

The 335d engine has twin turbos I'm told. Not sure if I could buy a twin turbo unit and bolt it on at some stage. Probably not...

That's exactly the reason i got a 3d instead of a 35d.

You won't regret it. And a PPK will certainly squash any doubts in the unlikely event you do.

ukbeemerboy · 11-07-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Consett Mag

I would have given BMW an order for a 335d if it wasn't for x drive.
So I'm waiting for a slightly lower powered 330d.

The 335d engine has twin turbos I'm told. Not sure if I could buy a twin turbo unit and bolt it on at some stage. Probably not...

Exactly why I ordered a 330d, as didn't want xDrive....

Dave_3 · 11-07-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

Exactly why I ordered a 330d, as didn't want xDrive....

Same as me, coming from an E92 335D, didn't want xDrive. The 4/330D is a very sweet all rounder.

D.

Tengocity · 11-07-2014, 04:14 PM

I wonder if xdrive has gained BMW more sales than it has lost it?...

Ross_T_Boss · 11-07-2014, 04:36 PM

Polar opposite here, getting the 335d was an easy choice as I explicitly wanted xDrive and it made no sense to get a 330d xDrive...

It would be interesting to know if there is any difference to the engine internals, probably not I suspect - may have bigger injectors although PDK would suggest they have similar capabilities in terms of fuelling.

The sequential turbo charging is quite a complex set-up and requires complexity in the exhaust and intake, as well as ECU to control a smooth cross-over.

In terms of drive - the 335d gives more torque across a larger rev range, and higher peak power - it has more of a 'big engine' feel as a result and is quicker all-round.

I know a number of ex Audi S/RS owners like myself that have jumped to BMW as a result of xDrive; those who don't want it still have the 335i / 330d PPK / M-power options available, it was about time it came to the UK.

Lorcan · 11-07-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ac16161

Thanks. I found the references to "twin power" on the BMW site unclear, as they use it in relation to the 330d (meaning the type of turbo?), but I could not find anything specific about the 335d.

"Twin power" is (deliberately?) confusing but usually means a single twin-scroll turbocharger i.e. a turbo that has two volutes through the turbine (exhaust) housing for a wider spread of torque than a single volute turbo. Due to the different length paths this can produce a slightly offbeat exhaust note.

dopper99 · 11-07-2014, 05:40 PM

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57

Seems there is more pressure too for the 335d....

57D30Ox has 1800 bar pressure, while N57D30Tx has 2000 bar pressure. N57D30Ox uses single turbocharger, while N57D30Tx uses 2 turbochargers, and N57S uses 3 turbochargers of varying size.

ukbeemerboy · 11-08-2014, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tengocity

I wonder if xdrive has gained BMW more sales than it has lost it?...

It's bound to of gained them sales, certainly poaching some Audi customers. The thing that annoys me with the BMW and xDrive is the fitment of the SE suspension. Surely with all the options available when speccing the car, that's a choice an owner should have.

....,,,,..,,.. · 11-08-2014, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

It's bound to of gained them sales, certainly poaching some Audi customers. The thing that annoys me with the BMW and xDrive is the fitment of the SE suspension. Surely with all the options available when speccing the car, that's a choice an owner should have.

Yeah while the Xdrive system is excellent and personally is a great advancement, the SE element should have been expanded on.

With hindsight I would have still went xdrive but would have had ACS from new (prior to delivery/ collection).

I believe the big resale point with the 335d over the 330 will be the EU6 engine rather than just the power output.

dopper99 · 11-08-2014, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ukbeemerboy

It's bound to of gained them sales, certainly poaching some Audi customers. The thing that annoys me with the BMW and xDrive is the fitment of the SE suspension. Surely with all the options available when speccing the car, that's a choice an owner should have.

Also, very annoyingly, when you order an M Sport model (in sdrive), you get upgraded suspension for your extra money but you dont with xdrive and still get charged the same extra.
Dear BMW, can I have some of my money back due the the fact you dont fit M Sport suspension but charged me for it?

happycow6171 · 11-08-2014, 04:06 AM

When it comes to changing the 335d would most tick the same boxes, at the mo I am trying to source a x4 35d all in the name of research.

....,,,,..,,.. · 11-08-2014, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dopper99

Also, very annoyingly, when you order an M Sport model (in sdrive), you get upgraded suspension for your extra money but you dont with xdrive and still get charged the same extra.
Dear BMW, can I have some of my money back due the the fact you dont fit M Sport suspension but charged me for it?

Last month I actually did the man maths of if you bought a 330d SE Xdrive rather than an M sport.

Then using the £3k difference put the car through ACS and had say £3k to £4k (depending on discounts) of kit, springs etc fitted).

ukbeemerboy · 11-08-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dopper99

Also, very annoyingly, when you order an M Sport model (in sdrive), you get upgraded suspension for your extra money but you dont with xdrive and still get charged the same extra.
Dear BMW, can I have some of my money back due the the fact you dont fit M Sport suspension but charged me for it?

Agree and same can be said if you order a 335d with M Sport Plus pack as the brakes fitted as part of the pack are virtually the same as 335d standard brakes but without the blue paint!! Beginning to think you 335d owners are paying for the BMW Christmas do!!!

Mattt1 · 11-08-2014, 01:05 PM

The 335d standard and 335d M Sport brakes are different though.

dopper99 · 11-08-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattt1

The 335d standard and 335d M Sport brakes are different though.

Thats what I thought. I'm sure Nisfan mentioned in the past that the rear M Sport brakes where the same as standard but front M Sport brakes are upgraded. More pistons or something.

335dJa · 11-08-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dopper99

Thats what I thought. I'm sure Nisfan mentioned in the past that the rear M Sport brakes where the same as standard but front M Sport brakes are upgraded. More pistons or something.

I think it's the other way round, rears are upgraded to two piston. Brake discs are bigger too, 370mm fronts instead of 340 I think.

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ac16161 Enlisted Member 29 Rep 47 Posts Drives: F31 335d xDrive M Sport Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Berkshire iTrader: (0)	Thanks. I found the references to "twin power" on the BMW site unclear, as they use it in relation to the 330d (meaning the type of turbo?), but I could not find anything specific about the 335d.
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Ross_T_Boss Lieutenant 99 Rep 464 Posts Drives: 335d Touring Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Swindon iTrader: (1)	Polar opposite here, getting the 335d was an easy choice as I explicitly wanted xDrive and it made no sense to get a 330d xDrive... It would be interesting to know if there is any difference to the engine internals, probably not I suspect - may have bigger injectors although PDK would suggest they have similar capabilities in terms of fuelling. The sequential turbo charging is quite a complex set-up and requires complexity in the exhaust and intake, as well as ECU to control a smooth cross-over. In terms of drive - the 335d gives more torque across a larger rev range, and higher peak power - it has more of a 'big engine' feel as a result and is quicker all-round. I know a number of ex Audi S/RS owners like myself that have jumped to BMW as a result of xDrive; those who don't want it still have the 335i / 330d PPK / M-power options available, it was about time it came to the UK.
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