F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion > BMW scraps Z2 plan for bijou MX-5 rival
VIBE Motorsports
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-12-2015, 06:05 PM   #1
Mo@BMWofFairfax
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Mo@BMWofFairfax's Avatar
United_States
1396
Rep
2,732
Posts


Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

BMW scraps Z2 plan for bijou MX-5 rival

BIMMERPOST
     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com


Quote:
Itís all change at the top for BMW - and the new management has pulled the plug on the proposed BMW Z2 sports car, a small rival for the best-selling MX-5.

CAR magazine first revealed the plan in the February 2011 issue, but now we hear that the new leadership under chairman Harald KrŁger and R&D chief Klaus FrŲhlich has axed the programme as being inessential. Blame sluggish sports car sales and the unstoppable global trend towards SUVs.

They are putting each and every future project under scrutiny and the baby roadster, depicted in CARís artistís impressions from the archive, is no longer an active project.

BMW Z2: the roadster that could have been

This was to have been a small, open-top sports car to slot beneath the well established Z4 coupe-convertible.

It was a back-to-basics BMW: two seats only, a simple engine choice of three- and four-cylinder engines and - BM traditionalists look away now - front-wheel drive.

Thatís because the project was part of the new front-drive transverse architecture; the Z2 was to be part of the Mini/1-series/2-series clan, in other words. Which makes us wonder if the still-active Mini Superleggera - essentially a front-wheel drive MX-5 rival - has squeezed the Z2 out. Munich fears there isnít enough space for both.

When we first revealed the Z2 project, we estimated a price around £20,000-£25,000. Slap bang in MX-5 territory, in other words, with higher-spec, faster versions nudging into the marketplace hogged by the likes of the Audi TT.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...ou-mx-5-rival/
Appreciate 0
      06-12-2015, 06:23 PM   #2
ShocknAwe
Major General
ShocknAwe's Avatar
United_States
1537
Rep
6,104
Posts

Drives: E82 N54
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (15)

MX-5 is RWD, you can't have a FWD rival of a RWD car, that's hilarious.
__________________
2010 135i M-Sport 6MT Jet Black
N54 | BUILD THREAD

Last edited by ShocknAwe; 06-12-2015 at 07:12 PM. Reason: realized title was misleading, they're scrapping it altogether.
Appreciate 16
      06-12-2015, 06:45 PM   #3
ScottSinger
Brigadier General
1234
Rep
3,716
Posts

Drives: M235i 6spd
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Mid-Atlantic

iTrader: (0)

Think it's a smart move to drop the Miata rival. Not wise to compete in each segment.
Appreciate 1
      06-12-2015, 07:15 PM   #4
ShocknAwe
Major General
ShocknAwe's Avatar
United_States
1537
Rep
6,104
Posts

Drives: E82 N54
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (15)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottSinger View Post
Think it's a smart move to drop the Miata rival. Not wise to compete in each segment.
Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.
__________________
2010 135i M-Sport 6MT Jet Black
N54 | BUILD THREAD
Appreciate 4
      06-12-2015, 07:29 PM   #5
Chihuahua
Colonel
Chihuahua's Avatar
1138
Rep
2,004
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Tampa Bay, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe View Post

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.
+1, not sure if I'm supposed to be happy or sad about this.
Appreciate 0
      06-12-2015, 07:32 PM   #6
ShocknAwe
Major General
ShocknAwe's Avatar
United_States
1537
Rep
6,104
Posts

Drives: E82 N54
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (15)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle B View Post
+1, not sure if I'm supposed to be happy or sad about this.
Well, there's always the FWD 1 series and 2er AT abominations, so rest easy in that.
__________________
2010 135i M-Sport 6MT Jet Black
N54 | BUILD THREAD
Appreciate 0
      06-12-2015, 08:51 PM   #7
Chihuahua
Colonel
Chihuahua's Avatar
1138
Rep
2,004
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Tampa Bay, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe View Post
Well, there's always the FWD 1 series and 2er AT abominations, so rest easy in that.
Kill them. Kill them with fire.
Appreciate 3
      06-12-2015, 08:55 PM   #8
SakhirM4
Major General
SakhirM4's Avatar
United_States
7619
Rep
7,660
Posts

Drives: '15 SO M4/'01 Dinan Z3 3.0
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe View Post
Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.
I am not embarrased at all by my M4. I even drive it in public.
__________________
Tejas Chapter, BMW CCA, mem #23915, President 27 years, www.tejaschapter.org
2015 ///M4, SO/full black, 6MT, HK, light 19"
Appreciate 24
      06-13-2015, 12:04 PM   #9
Grinchxvx
Lieutenant
Grinchxvx's Avatar
15
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: 2008 135i
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Salt Lake City

iTrader: (0)

If it was going to be FWD what's the point? Glad they chopped it tbh. I'll
stick to my one series
__________________
2008 Aw/Coral Red Manual 135i Coupe-
JB4 G5 + BMS race flash, BMS meth kit, VRSF DP, Big tom Ic, BMS chinese tester CP, Custom Muffler Delete, BMS Oil Cooler Valve, Cowl Filters, Clutch Stop, B&M Short Shifter, Spec Stg 2+ Clutch W/ Oem dmfw, Vmr V710, KW v2, M RSFB, 1M Front and rear Bumper, Performance Side Skirts, slek trunk, Lci blacklines.]
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:06 PM   #10
phoenixbmwlife
Brigadier General
phoenixbmwlife's Avatar
United_States
784
Rep
3,337
Posts

Drives: M235i & G30 540i
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Boynton Beach

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2014 BMW/M235i  [0.00]
One less front wheel drive car under the BMW brand. I say this is great news!
__________________
Lack of money is not the problem. It is merely a symptom of what's going on inside of you! - T Harv Eker

Follow me on IG https://www.instagram.com/phoenixbmwlife/
Appreciate 3
      06-13-2015, 12:08 PM   #11
vladberca
Major General
vladberca's Avatar
Romania
477
Rep
5,212
Posts

Drives: '17 jetta tdi 6mt
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Craiova

iTrader: (0)

It's good to not increase the range of FWD BMW models
Appreciate 3
      06-13-2015, 12:11 PM   #12
BMW269
Brigadier General
No_Country
276
Rep
3,897
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Germany

iTrader: (0)

As the next 2 Series Coupe will be FWD, they have decided to cancel the next generation M2 because they don't think a FWD M2 successor will be profitable.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:14 PM   #13
bunker
BVARIAN
bunker's Avatar
United_States
208
Rep
385
Posts

Drives: 2016 M235ix
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Cincinnati, OH

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SakhirM4 View Post
I am not embarrased at all by my M4. I even drive it in public.
I commend you for being both polite and witty in this response. I would not have been able to show the same restraint.
Appreciate 11
      06-13-2015, 12:21 PM   #14
mshab356
Go ///M or go home
mshab356's Avatar
United_States
258
Rep
1,279
Posts

Drives: 2015 F80 M3 6MT
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles, CA

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation.
Why is the M3/4 embarrassing in your opinion? I think it is a much better all around car than the E9x (I used to own an E92 M3)
__________________
2015 AB/SO F80 M3 6MT | 19" Black M437 | KW H.A.S. | AutoTechnik Black Front Grills | BMW Performance Side Grills | Painted Front Bumper Reflectors | Gloss Black Exhaust Tips

GONE 2011 SG/Blk E92 M3 CS 6MT
Appreciate 4
      06-13-2015, 12:21 PM   #15
BimmerMat135
Major
Canada
394
Rep
1,192
Posts

Drives: E82M/F31 328XD
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Montrťal Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Levi
As the next 2 Series Coupe will be FWD, they have decided to cancel the next generation M2 because they don't think a FWD M2 successor will be profitable.
There is no confirmation about this. The next 2 might have the clar platform as well. M is pushing toward that platform.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:23 PM   #16
psuibmw
Major
psuibmw's Avatar
United_States
692
Rep
1,378
Posts

Drives: 2017 F15/2011 F10/2008 E90
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Baltimore, MD

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 BMW F10 535  [4.00]
2008 BMW E90  [0.00]
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:23 PM   #17
Jadar
Brigadier General
Jadar's Avatar
Serbia
1565
Rep
4,172
Posts

Drives: 2013 F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Michigan Ave.

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottSinger View Post
Think it's a smart move to drop the Miata rival. Not wise to compete in each segment.
Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.
Maybe we have a difference in opinion or what embarrassing is to one individual, but calling the best M3/4 we've had since the E30 embarrassing is ridiculous and unfair.

F80>e9x m3
F80>e46 although subjective on the looks I prefer the E46
The E36 besides the sedan the coupe was just plain boring...

I get not everyone likes turbos and loves NA 8-9k rpm motors. But BMW has done an outstanding job on the F80 and put me down for one in a couple of years...
__________________
FBO-PS1 and stuff
Appreciate 1
      06-13-2015, 12:23 PM   #18
ORIGIN M.
Banned
3058
Rep
9,212
Posts

Drives: ///M
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northern Hemisphere

iTrader: (0)

Front page news again

The Z2 has been canceled.

There will be a FWD Z1.

And a back to basics RWD Z3.

And the the current Z4 will move up market and become a Toyota Twin being called the Z5.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:26 PM   #19
Jadar
Brigadier General
Jadar's Avatar
Serbia
1565
Rep
4,172
Posts

Drives: 2013 F30 335i MSport
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Michigan Ave.

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by mshab356
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation.
Why is the M3/4 embarrassing in your opinion? I think it is a much better all around car than the E9x (I used to own an E92 M3)
Man not even a comparison. Not sure what has his panties in a bunch but the f80 is amazing. Never owned either but spent time in both here, and it's a night and day difference. Just the f80 losing 200+ lbs was huge and can be felt. Electric steering....whatever get over it all manufacturers have it were stuck, move on...
__________________
FBO-PS1 and stuff
Appreciate 1
      06-13-2015, 12:50 PM   #20
jaehshim
Major
jaehshim's Avatar
United_States
381
Rep
1,297
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NE

iTrader: (3)

who buys a Z these days...
it's following the downhill of SLK
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:52 PM   #21
X3paul
Banned
148
Rep
482
Posts

Drives: E9 CSi, Z4M coup, E65 730d, E4
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottSinger
Think it's a smart move to drop the Miata rival. Not wise to compete in each segment.
Thats true. Bmw making a car fun to drive? Please thats not what bmw is about these days. Minivans and 4x4' that are really not that good at 4x4 thats what "the ultimate driving machine" is all about these days.
Appreciate 0
      06-13-2015, 12:53 PM   #22
jaehshim
Major
jaehshim's Avatar
United_States
381
Rep
1,297
Posts

Drives: E90
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: NE

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dd1981 View Post
Man not even a comparison. Not sure what has his panties in a bunch but the f80 is amazing. Never owned either but spent time in both here, and it's a night and day difference. Just the f80 losing 200+ lbs was huge and can be felt. Electric steering....whatever get over it all manufacturers have it were stuck, move on...
agreed and disagreed
it's not that F80 is bad, it's that there's GREATER cars than F80 for the money these days.
Honestly, during the E90 M days, it was probably the most ideal sport, trackable sedan/coupe for the money.
GTR was too expensive, Corvette's quality was pretty bad, C63's 7 speed auto was hideous, RS4 was heavier and slower than E9X M3 series etc etc

Now? everyone's looking at the new C63 or a used GTR if going forced induction sports sedan/coupe for the same money.

the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:25 PM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST