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      11-13-2018, 11:29 PM   #1
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BMW i4 Will Be Based on Next Gen 4 Series Gran Coupe (G26)

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As recently updated in the future BMW models info preview thread:

BMW i4 is not going to be built from the ground up as a BEV.

Instead, it will be one of the versions of G26 (the next 4GC), similar to the recently introduced iX3, though hopefully with better performance. It will start as a RWD or AWD with 80kWh battery. If you want a clean sheet BEV, you'll have to wait for the I20.

How closely the iNext concept reflects that future production car remains to be seen. Both i4 and I20 should be expected around 2021. In other words, I can confirm the AutoExpress report here: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/10...stream-in-2021
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As recently updated in the future BMW models info preview thread:

BMW i4 is not going to be built from the ground up as a BEV.

Instead, it will be one of the versions of G26 (the next 4GC), similar to the recently introduced iX3, though hopefully with better performance. It will start as a RWD or AWD with 80kWh battery. If you want a clean sheet BEV, you'll have to wait for the I20.

How closely the iNext concept reflects that future production car remains to be seen. Both i4 and I20 should be expected around 2021. In other words, I can confirm the AutoExpress report here: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/10...stream-in-2021
Is the i20 the i5/i6?
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Good news!

So it seems the awful ‘sunglasses’ windows from the concept will be out in favour of a more traditional design which hopefully resembles the current 4GC windows.
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Is the i20 the i5/i6?
I20 = iNext SUV-thingy?
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A 4 GC type vehicle Makes the most sense.
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What a novel idea - an electric car that doesn't look like some futuristic roller skate. Good job, BMW.
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Is this the impetus for G26 recently being pushed out another year to launch 7/21?
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Hoping legroom is a tad more compelling than current gen's
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As recently updated in the future BMW models info preview thread:

BMW i4 is not going to be built from the ground up as a BEV.

Instead, it will be one of the versions of G26 (the next 4GC), similar to the recently introduced iX3, though hopefully with better performance. It will start as a RWD or AWD with 80kWh battery. If you want a clean sheet BEV, you'll have to wait for the I20.

How closely the iNext concept reflects that future production car remains to be seen. Both i4 and I20 should be expected around 2021. In other words, I can confirm the AutoExpress report here: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/10...stream-in-2021
That’s extremely disappointing news!

The i01 is so genuine and well though out, with the production, fabric, carbon chassis - everything is built from the ground up as an EV. Now BMW is jumping ship and using the cheap easy way, and it is basically a very bad idea.

It’s like trying to manufacture a great ICE vehicle from an EV body. It’s just a half-baked project, and the only advantage is saving some money. Everything else is suffering.

Even the small company, Jaguar, has made an EV from the ground up, the I-PACE.
But BMW is just not in it. It’s the kind of behavior I expect from French or Chinese car manufacturers, not BMW.

Do it right, or don’t do it at all! You began so well with the EV future, now you’re stalling and wasting time.
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If it’s 200-225 miles and fast, it’ll be perfectly acceptable.
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What a novel idea - an electric car that doesn't look like some futuristic roller skate. Good job, BMW.
Dont count on it yet, if its just on the same platform it could still look very space ship. This just means bmw is reusing parts
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What a novel idea - an electric car that doesn't look like some futuristic roller skate. Good job, BMW.
Dont count on it yet, if its just on the same platform it could still look very space ship. This just means bmw is reusing parts
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What a novel idea - an electric car that doesn't look like some futuristic roller skate. Good job, BMW.
Could not be expressed any better.
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You just know the BMW EV is going to be ugly as sin
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If you can't buy a MT in the new 3 series, then you may as well go electric. At least the torque will be better along with fuel savings.
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If you can't buy a MT in the new 3 series, then you may as well go electric. At least the torque will be better along with fuel savings.
They would offer MTs if people were actually buying them in any sort of numbers for that vehicle. People buy them in M cars, not in regular cars in any numbers that justify their existence.
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Got damn it BMW, hurry up already. Step up your EV game, and stop being so counter productive in this area. Accept it, ICE vehicles are a dead end. Start building EV's from the ground up. Getting really tired of this bull crap. So far, the only real EV car you have is the i3 with a 120Ah battery. At this point, it should at least have 450km+ range.

Step it up ASAP!
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Hopefully the Kidney Grill(s) will be a clean and iconic design.
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Also to jump on the bandwagon and hopefully clear up some confusion since I've had to do Uber/Lyft to survive and rented a Chevy Bolt EV (not Volt) for a while as to why nobody can give an accurate range, TL;DR: It can be anywhere from 275 to 105 mi range on a full charge with the official specs being 238 mi, which depends on A LOT of conditions... To expand further:

To those who don't know, EVs have a HUGE swath of variables to consider to have an accurate range, and each one SIGNIFICANTLY affects the other: The best mileage bar none is (and there's even a built-in scorecard app):
  • Ambient temperature: Best when driving it at 80F or more; usually operating it in the winter will drastically kill the effective range.
  • HVAC is off; it killed the range by at least 40 miles if I used it starting at an 80% battery, but c'mon, I live in LA... Why HVAC instead of just AC? EV needs to generate both heat and AC since the motor doesn't intrinsically get hot, whereas an ICE car needs an AC unit but the heat comes from the engine. Even then, you can definitely see the consumption: The EV at rest only consumes 0.5-1 kW, AC is 2-3 kW, and I've seen the heat go up to 6-7 kW.
  • Elevation change: Either on a flatland or if you must go uphill, go downhill. If you're mostly uphill somehow, it obviously consumes more and regenerates less.
  • Technique: Of course, that means to feather the throttle (and thus consume less electricity) and if possible, let the engine brake/regenerative brakes kick in. The next few factors aren't in the app, but good to know:
  • For most EVs, your best mileage will be stop-and-go since there's ample chance for regeneration, and high speeds will consume the most energy... ICE is the opposite where highway miles barely consumes anything but for my E90, driving through 20 miles of West LA has made the car like a frat boy at the unlimited "free" beer booth.
  • Stop charging at 80% (This is more of a long-term thing, but usually charging it more will cut the battery life short).
  • Even then, the batteries do get worn out; it's theoretically possible for it to age enough to not even hold a charge. If you've ever owned a laptop for more than 4 years you'd know. Most manufacturers for EVs/hybrids have an extended battery warranty for this purpose, but it doesn't change the wear-and-tear in between.

The official specs are 238 miles on 100% charge; the best range I've ever gotten was 275 miles in the spring, and the worst with the summer with the AC on all day was around 170. I haven't driven it when it was TRULY cold yet, but I've seen it crawl to 105 mi in -5F in a YT video.

Also with EV drivers, some of us treat 80% like a full battery since it maintains the longevity of the battery, not to mention if we're at a public charging station the charging speed drastically slows down after it hits 80% as well, but there are some of us that don't care, plug it in overnight and charge it to 100% every time.

With everything in mind, that's why it's very hard to get a fixed number from EV drivers on what their range has a 165 mile difference. Let's just say if the range is like a car and we arbitrarily give it a 5-gallon gas tank (I know it's ridiculously small, but I want the MPG or L/100km to be more realistic)... The official specs is 47.6 MPG (4.9 L/100km), but it can be anywhere from 21-55 MPG (4.3-11.2 L/100km), or almost a Ram 1500 HEMI highway to the average of a Prius...

But all factors above for an ICE car probably only varies by probably 5 MPG (78 L/100km) given the worst-case scenario, or 40 miles for a 15-gallon tank. I haven't given this side much thought since so many things are a non-issue with ICE cars, so I may be wrong.

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I'm personally not digging that design... I know that for EV's the grille is just there as an aesthetic of sorts, but it just reminds me of an exaggerated Kia design, which I already think of them as looking like an old hag that only has her front teeth left. Also, for getting rid of the AE's.
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That blue 4 concept looks stunning.
If I only had 2 kids I would consider cancelling my iX3 order and wait for the i4 instead.

Anyway...

BMW seems to be doing everything right in my opinion. Remember the EV market is still minimal and its one ICE they make their billions. Tesla is not even close and won't be for at least 10+ years.

Nobody knows how the car market will look like in 5 years time. BMW will cover all areas, let the byers choose and therefore make success:

- ICE
- Hybrids
- EVs built as EV from ground
- EVs sharing platforms with ICE/hybrids

The i4 will be sweet
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That blue 4 concept looks stunning.
If I only had 2 kids I would consider cancelling my iX3 order and wait for the i4 instead.

Anyway...

BMW seems to be doing everything right in my opinion. Remember the EV market is still minimal and its one ICE they make their billions. Tesla is not even close and won't be for at least 10+ years.

Nobody knows how the car market will look like in 5 years time. BMW will cover all areas, let the byers choose and therefore make success:

- ICE
- Hybrids
- EVs built as EV from ground
- EVs sharing platforms with ICE/hybrids

The i4 will look like a ICE, but with blue plastic bits on
BMW by 2030 is aiming for 15% EV sales from their portefolio.
Very conservative, i Wonder what they are thinking with converting ICE chassi to EV's, a hald baked solution, AND not a premium solution!
it's like Using the UKL platform on the next M3.
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