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BMW will cut up to 50% of traditional drivetrain variations from 2021
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03-13-2020, 04:35 PM | #3 |
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I wonder how they are coming up with the 50% number. Is it every possible variant including 2wd and 4wd? At the moment you've got:
UKL platform which still has some older ~2014 released Minis has 15 variants: B38 6MT fwd/4wd B38 7DCT fwd B38 6AT fwd plus electric motor at rear B48 6MT fwd/4wd B48 7DCT B48 8AT 4wd B37 6MT fwd/4wd B37 7DCT fwd B37 6AT 4wd B47 6MT fwd/4wd B47 8AT 4wd CLAR platform G platform only (ignoring the F22, F32 as they are effectively EOL) has 17 variants: B48 6MT rwd B48 8AT rwd/4wd B48 8AT rwd/4wd plus electric motor B58 8AT rwd/4wd S58 8AT 4wd B58 8AT 4wd plus electric motor N63 8AT 4wd S63 8AT 4wd N74 8AT rwd/4wd B47 8AT rwd/4wd B57 8AT rwd/4wd What do you kill? We know the N74 is going away, perhaps the B37 will go away and the 7DCT in UKL might go away too, plus removal of some of the 6MT UKL variants as the old Mini chassis gets replaced. If you look at the F40 for example you only get 8 variants. That counts as about 50% of the variants being deleted already. B38 6MT fwd B38 7DCT fwd B48 8AT 4wd B37 6MT fwd B37 7DCT fwd B47 6MT fwd B47 8AT fwd B47 8AT 4wd
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I don’t know, but I appreciate you taking the time to list all current combinations. It gets even more complicated if we consider engine variants such as (and these aren’t all of them, just the ones I know off the top of my head) the B48 M1, O1, T1; B58 M1, O1; N63 M3, T3.
I think they’ve already said the three cylinder diesel (B37) and quad turbo six cylinder diesel (B57 S0) are ending production by next year. So those are definitely part of the 50%. And do they still sell a G11 or G12 M760i with RWD in some regions? Not sure, but as you point out, we know it’s gone once the G70 arrives. I suspect that you’re correct in concluding that a lot of this will come from the legacy UKL configurations that are soon to go away. Although, one wonders if the new MINI platform, which will no longer be shared with BMW, will end up adding some back in. Perhaps those are not being included. I suspect all vehicles on the platform will be PHEV or BEV anyway, so probably no diesels and probably no manual transmissions either. |
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Point being 1 strategic decision (eliminate B58/6speed)= 4 "drivetrains" cut |
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If we look forward to 2022 and beyond, which will start the next generation of BMW products (beginning with the G70 7 Series), I think we’ll see even further reduction. One wonders if the N63 might be phased out at some point during said generation and replaced by the upcoming B58-based M45e high performance PHEV drivetrain. |
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And people wonder why ratty E46's are going up in value???
Mark my words the NA BMW straight sixes (N52/51) will be remembered as icons of an era and will be in demand as the "modern" cars become cost prohibitive to run...not to mention not having any soul. That being said. Fix the range and recharge time (or just give me the gas/ diesel onboard efficient charger..ie REx) and put it in a simple sports car chassis and I am in with electric.
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I can see diesel engines being eliminated over time, their place taken by electric motors. I see this in both Europe and North America. Europe will favorably tax electric vehicles through CO2 legislation, and North America will generally let the market prevail, with some consumers choosing a low CO2 and high "fuel efficiency" solution.
Gasoline engine future is not clear to me. When a technology, such as internal combustion, is threatened, the status quo works even harder to preserve it. I was attending conferences in the 1990s when the "death knell" of IC engines was claimed to have started. ICEs are still here, and will be for some time. Many billions of dollars are invested and many thousands of jobs are connected to IC engine design and manufacturing. ICE power density, fuel efficiency and emissions output is better than ever in history. In North America, those who tow boats, RVs and such, and those who travel long distances regularly, likely will stick with ICEs until the bitter end. Fully electric vehicles have a long way to go, possibly decades, to achieve the same level of performance on every measuring stick, vs ICE engines+fuel tanks. Drivetrain (transmission and fwd/rwd/awd/4wd) is not germane to this discussion in my view. The industry is experiencing change in propulsion and energy storage technologies. Transferring torque to the tire-ground contact patch is a distant secondary consideration. Last edited by chassis; 03-14-2020 at 09:12 PM.. |
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I'm not sure when the new Mini will be coming but as they just launched the new Mini-E and I haven't heard anything you'd assume it is at least 3 years away. I didn't realise the new platform was going to be unique for them. If that is the case then why do we have to put up with the UKL cars....sigh.
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BMW Group Cutting 50 Percent Of 'Traditional Drivetrain Variants'
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Strictly speaking, I think we have only heard about the S68. We presume an N68 to be in the mix too, but I don’t think it has been outed yet, at least not by our insiders. Even if it does come, it may yet only be a stopgap. Hopefully we get more information about the drivetrain plans for the G70 soon.
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I also just realised I completely missed the B47 single and twin turbo plus B57 single, twin, quad turbo variants. I guess we know the quad is already dead.
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I'm sure anything bigger than v8 is gone. We will probably be looking at either Electric, hybrid, and some 2L and 4 bangers. or maybe an eco v6 or v8 if we're lucky.
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If none of you have driven the Model 3 Performance (I have), you owe it to yourself to see just what it feels like to drive a sporty electric car. I have an E90 M3 ZCP and will be making the move to electric. Absolutely shocking how quick and feature packed the car is. Sure, I'll miss my M but recognize what the future will be, and after getting a taste of it, I'm joining the pack.
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I wonder what people will do when they will realize that the electric car is far from what is pictured for all the sheep in the flock.
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All modular engines - B48, B58 - will most likely be retained since this architecture already provides cost savings by design.
Manual transmission - in danger. V12 is also at risk unless 2 B58 engines can be joined together in a cost effective manner. Same with V8. The only constant is change. |
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