[CarsAndGuitars]

https://www.space.com/tonga-volcano-...rth-prediction

https://www.space.com/tonga-eruption...por-warm-earth

Same scientific source (not MSM) saying the recent underwater volcanic eruption in Tonga might cool the earth or warm the earth or have no effect on climate

[paquet]

It is fascinating / intriguing, I am not qualified enough to know better.

What does concern me is the politicization of climate issues (one vested interest v. another - with the underlying aspect being a financial one, ie, someone wanting to make money off it) - be it ESG, or one form of energy over another.

Noticed you're in south FL as well... a common theme I have been seeing with people seemingly from outside of FL is about how FL will become unlivable due to climate change causing levels to rise, etc - and the financial puppetry being insurance adjusting that risk.
I'm not seeing any of that doomsday stuff of floods and cats and dogs living together and other things, at least where I live... makes me wonder if they're just jealous of people in FL, or if there's some behind the scenes financial puppetry going on - with most people just being banshees

[2000cs]

One thing we know with certainty is if we discuss it too much here, the thread will disappear and a few of us might, too.

[pikkagtr]

Does al gore know about this

[3.0L]

It is estimated that we globally burn more than 88 million barrels of oil per day.

That is a butt load of BTU's folks. I fail to understand how that does not contribute to global warming.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

It is estimated that we globally burn more than 88 million barrels of oil per day.

That is a butt load of BTU's folks. I fail to understand how that does not contribute to global warming.

Isn’t the question how much? I’m not a climate denier but until we get the 3rd world on board nothing we do at home matters.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Isn’t the question how much? I’m not a climate denier but until we get the 3rd world on board nothing we do at home matters.

Well the temp certainly has changed a lot since the industrial revolution and we can see SOMETHING is up with our climate.

China is actually moving more quickly than we are, they just have a lot of catching up to do.

[Bking60]

Several older homes around Charleston SC have been raised to where the living space floor is 10-12 feet above sea level. They are saying that by 2060 that won't be enough. My garage is only about 8ft above sea level but I'm 11 miles up a river. During the 1000-year flood we had, the water was deep on my road, but the backyard creek attached to the river was only up a little over the king tides we have. My house will be fine for decades but around 2050 water may get into the garage during storms. It has flood vents to let water inside if it's a foot deep outside to equalize pressure on the foundation.

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by paquet

Noticed you're in south FL as well... a common theme I have been seeing with people seemingly from outside of FL is about how FL will become unlivable due to climate change causing levels to rise, etc - and the financial puppetry being insurance adjusting that risk.
I'm not seeing any of that doomsday stuff of floods and cats and dogs living together and other things, at least where I live... makes me wonder if they're just jealous of people in FL, or if there's some behind the scenes financial puppetry going on - with most people just being banshees

https://southeastfloridaclimatecompa...L_02212020.pdf

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

Does al gore know about this

I thought he invented the internet. Did he discover climate change too?

[paquet]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

https://southeastfloridaclimatecompa...L_02212020.pdf

thank you - reading it now. i notice a mention of a rise of 3 inches since 1993 in some areas

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by paquet

It is fascinating / intriguing, I am not qualified enough to know better.

What does concern me is the politicization of climate issues (one vested interest v. another - with the underlying aspect being a financial one, ie, someone wanting to make money off it) - be it ESG, or one form of energy over another.

Noticed you're in south FL as well... a common theme I have been seeing with people seemingly from outside of FL is about how FL will become unlivable due to climate change causing levels to rise, etc - and the financial puppetry being insurance adjusting that risk.
I'm not seeing any of that doomsday stuff of floods and cats and dogs living together and other things, at least where I live... makes me wonder if they're just jealous of people in FL, or if there's some behind the scenes financial puppetry going on - with most people just being banshees

Yeah I've only been in FL for 4 years, with the remaining 50+ years in NYS. I'm not sure about that either. I found it interesting from the 2 articles I referenced, just how little we know scientifically about the effects of earth's own activities on the atmosphere and climate

[ASAP]

Climate change is definitely real over hundreds and thousands of years...

How much of it is natural and how much is man contributed? That part no one knows...

[Wolf 335]

Originally Posted by 2000cs

One thing we know with certainty is if we discuss it too much here, the thread will disappear and a few of us might, too.

No off-topic discussion allowed in the off-topic section. You may potentialy offend someone, god forbid.

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Well the temp certainly has changed a lot since the industrial revolution and we can see SOMETHING is up with our climate.

China is actually moving more quickly than we are, they just have a lot of catching up to do.

Are you actually taking a 100 year slice out of several billion to make a quasi-scientific observation? What was the temperature change during the Renaissance? What caused it? How can you possibly isolate 100 years, define it is a continuing trend and attribute it to humans as the sole source?

How do you KNOW what China is doing?

Originally Posted by ASAP

Climate change is definitely real over hundreds and thousands of years...

How much of it is natural and how much is man contributed? That part no one knows...

THIS is my point. Thank you. So how do you solve a problem before you have isolated the problem?

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Climate change is definitely real over hundreds and thousands of years...

How much of it is natural and how much is man contributed? That part no one knows...

Agreed. But both sides will try to convince you on the severity depending on their agenda and personal/financial interests.

What bothers me is the politicization of it and corporate greenwashing. Climate change being used as an excuse by greedy lobbyists and elected officials to do stuff like ban our favorite cars!

[TboneS54]

Haven't predictions all been wrong?

The sky is always falling...

[Tommysalami]

Enact green policies assuming climate change is man-made, and if we're wrong we wasted money and inconvenienced ourselves.

Don't do anything assuming climate change is just natural change over time, and if we're wrong we potentially ruined the planet for future generations.

Seems like an easy decision to me and doesn't require us to pretend either side is 100% certain of anything. Consequences are just much worse if we don't do anything and are wrong.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

i wonder is earbud headphones will lead to hearing loss

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by Tommysalami

Enact green policies assuming climate change is man-made, and if we're wrong we wasted money and inconvenienced ourselves.

Don't do anything assuming climate change is just natural change over time, and if we're wrong we potentially ruined the planet for future generations.

Seems like an easy decision to me and doesn't require us to pretend either side is 100% certain of anything. Consequences are just much worse if we don't do anything and are wrong.

Using scientific method, you most definitely start by making assumptions.

What you do not do, is draw conclusions based on your assumptions. That is not science. It is called guessing.

[Tommysalami]

Originally Posted by CarsAndGuitars

Using scientific method, you most definitely start by making assumptions.

What you do not do, is draw conclusions based on your assumptions. That is not science. It is called guessing.

Decisions are (or should be) made based on risk.

Risk = probability*consequence

Accepting that neither side of this debate knows for certain whether climate change is man-made, we then evaluate the risk and act on that. And the risk is simply much greater if we don't act, in my opinion. It's a fallacy to argue that because we can't prove our assumptions, the best action is to do nothing.

[TboneS54]

Are you so naïve as to think the application of "going green" will be even handed, fair to all people, done for the right reasons and not for profit?

"Green" is the new way to fleece tax payers. If you wanted to make an appreciable impact on pollution, surely you'd start with the biggest offenders, not Josue, the father of 3 making $26,000 a year with his lawn mower and leaf blower?