[adhrp]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Have no idea where you got the information lol

You can replace the wastegate on both stand-alone, pure sells a heavy duty wastegate separate. The actuators on both fail extremely rarely which is why you never hear about it anywhere.

And if you're paying 3000$ for a stock turbo, you're an absolute dumbass as they go for 500-750$

For 3000$ you can buy a BigBoost kit or PS2.

Stop giving false information.

You really need to pull your head out of your ass. I am not going to post any links or material for you, but you are welcome to do you own research on OEM parts+labor for the N20 turbo (that's what the quoted prices are for; and don't spew some bullshit about "do your own work" as not all of us are inclined to). And no, the wastegate alone cannot be changed on the PWG turbos without lots of extra machining that no shop is going to do for you. And yes, they do fail more commonly than you portray. You sound more confident than you are informed/educated.

OP, I suggest you check those out when making your decision.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by Phantom10R

the wastegate issue on the ewg is very very rare

Yes, it seems the EWG are better that way than the PWG with the added advantage of being able to separately replace the wastegate alone if the issue were to occur. My engine happens to be be one from the initial 15 months or so of production that they used the PWG before switching to EWG

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Thing is anyone owning a N55 or B58 will most probably never leave it stock, N55 owners usually go FBO for less than a year and slap a PS2 or BigBoost kit on it, same goes for the B58.

Its very rare for someone to leave their straight six stock.

I have a friend who goes 12.9@105mph with his 2014 435i xDrive.

Did you survey all straight six owners or do you consider your "friends" and "buddies" to represent all owners? Talk about confusing anecdotes for data

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by adhrp

Did you survey all straight six owners or do you consider your "friends" and "buddies" to represent all owners? Talk about confusing anecdotes for data

I have owned E39 I6 NA, and over the years my friends had/have I6 NA and/or I6 turbo, and none of them has mod'ed those I6's, not even CAI.

To be specific, my friends usually buy what they need/want brand new and drive to 100k-200k, and just stick with factory specs.

[lens]

Originally Posted by adhrp

You really need to pull your head out of your ass. I am not going to post any links or material for you, but you are welcome to do you own research on OEM parts+labor for the N20 turbo (that's what the quoted prices are for; and don't spew some bullshit about "do your own work" as not all of us are inclined to). And no, the wastegate alone cannot be changed on the PWG turbos without lots of extra machining that no shop is going to do for you. And yes, they do fail more commonly than you portray. You sound more confident than you are informed/educated.

OP, I suggest you check those out when making your decision.

"yOu nEeD tO pUlL yOuR hEaD oUt oF yOuR aSs"

Sounds like that's what you need to do.

OEM EWG N20 turbo go fo 999$ brand new. 500$ used.
OEM PWG N20 turbo goes for 1250$ brand new, 2 year warranty, 500-750$ used.

Labour to replace? Less than 10 hours on xDrive, 6 on RWD.

Indy garage usually charge between 100-120$/hour.

Essentially labour included to replace with turbo? Less than 2500$ with parts.

Hell I paid 1200 CAD to replace mine with PS2.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Exhaust/...0-F25-F30.html

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Exhaust/...0-F25-F30.html

https://shop.mambatek.com/BMW-N20-N2...23-0263VAA.htm

Man you seriously need help if you think changing the actuator requires a brand new turbo.

Originally Posted by adhrp

Yes, it seems the EWG are better that way than the PWG with the added advantage of being able to separately replace the wastegate alone if the issue were to occur. My engine happens to be be one from the initial 15 months or so of production that they used the PWG before switching to EWG

https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/prod...egate-actuator

https://shop.mambatek.com/BMW-N20-N2...23-0263VAA.htm

Originally Posted by adhrp

Did you survey all straight six owners or do you consider your "friends" and "buddies" to represent all owners? Talk about confusing anecdotes for data

Originally Posted by bavarianride

I have owned E39 I6 NA, and over the years my friends had/have I6 NA and/or I6 turbo, and none of them has mod'ed those I6's, not even CAI.

To be specific, my friends usually buy what they need/want brand new and drive to 100k-200k, and just stick with factory specs.

Check out the enthusiasts group on FB, hell check out the forums here, everyone's car has a t least something on it. People want to be fast, which is why I said having a stock N55/B58 is very rare.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by chaungo

"yOu nEeD tO pUlL yOuR hEaD oUt oF yOuR aSs"

Sounds like that's what you need to do.

OEM EWG N20 turbo go fo 999$ brand new. 500$ used.
OEM PWG N20 turbo goes for 1250$ brand new, 2 year warranty, 500-750$ used.

Labour to replace? Less than 10 hours on xDrive, 6 on RWD.

Indy garage usually charge between 100-120$/hour.

Essentially labour included to replace with turbo? Less than 2500$ with parts.

Hell I paid 1200 CAD to replace mine with PS2.

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Exhaust/...0-F25-F30.html

https://www.bimmerworld.com/Exhaust/...0-F25-F30.html

https://shop.mambatek.com/BMW-N20-N2...23-0263VAA.htm

Man you seriously need help if you think changing the actuator requires a brand new turbo.





https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/prod...egate-actuator

https://shop.mambatek.com/BMW-N20-N2...23-0263VAA.htm







Check out the enthusiasts group on FB, hell check out the forums here, everyone's car has a t least something on it. People want to be fast, which is why I said having a stock N55/B58 is very rare.

Why don't you try replacing the wastegate on an N20 PWG turbo (perhaps even N55) and then come back and report to us. Let's see how sure you are of yourself at that point. Also, let's talk OEM rather than some random third party cheap crap.

[lens]

Originally Posted by adhrp

Why don't you try replacing the wastegate on an N20 PWG turbo (perhaps even N55) and then come back and report to us. Let's see how sure you are of yourself at that point. Also, let's talk OEM rather than some random third party cheap crap.

We have on a N55, it's held on by a nut not even joking, you then have to set the actuator after replacing it.

OEM wastegate is generic, N20 turbo is made by Mitsubishi so you can order the wastegate actuator from them.

The links I sent you for the turbos are OEM turbos.

hardparker can touch up on it.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by chaungo

We have on a N55, it's held on by a nut not even joking, you then have to set the actuator after replacing it.

OEM wastegate is generic, N20 turbo is made by Mitsubishi so you can order the wastegate actuator from them.

The links I sent you for the turbos are OEM turbos.

hardparker can touch up on it.

I would certainly like to hear more about your wastegate replacement held on by a nut. This is a genuine comment, not being snarky.

[lens]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I would certainly like to hear more about your wastegate replacement held on by a nut. This is a genuine comment, not being snarky.

Take a look.

Nuts*

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Take a look.

Nuts*

Yeah I've seen this. It's the flap on the inside though that more often becomes loose, leading to boost leak. There are videos of people on YouTube machining the whole thing which is a huge job but good if you can DIY it. For most people, it is a turbo assembly replacement as no indy (and def not dealer) will do a machining job on the wastegate.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by adhrp

Yeah I've seen this. It's the flap on the inside though that more often becomes loose, leading to boost leak. There are videos of people on YouTube machining the whole thing which is a huge job but good if you can DIY it. For most people, it is a turbo assembly replacement as no indy (and def not dealer) will do a machining job on the wastegate.

There is no separate PWG part online for N20/N26, so I think u are correct about replacing the whole turbo, presumably the turbo with new(er) EWG can plug and play too?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-32...ger/Wastegate/

[lens]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

There is no separate PWG part online for N20/N26, so I think u are correct about replacing the whole turbo, presumably the turbo with new(er) EWG can plug and play too?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-32...ger/Wastegate/

The ones from the turbo minis should be identical, look for that instead.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

There is no separate PWG part online for N20/N26, so I think u are correct about replacing the whole turbo, presumably the turbo with new(er) EWG can plug and play too?

https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-F30-32...ger/Wastegate/

The EWG version doesn't fit, unfortunately. It sucks to have PWG on the turbos (one German indy told me that in their experience all PWG turbos eventually develop wastegate leaks/rattles, whether it is OEM Mitsubishi or not).

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by adhrp

The EWG version doesn't fit, unfortunately. It sucks to have PWG on the turbos (one German indy told me that in their experience all PWG turbos eventually develop wastegate leaks/rattles, whether it is OEM Mitsubishi or not).

That is unfortunate.

[Mracer]

Decided to go with the N26 328....picked up a '16 328i x-drive Msport. Really impressed with this car and happy with the purchase. Wife loves it too!

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by Mracer

Decided to go with the N26 328....picked up a '16 328i x-drive Msport. Really impressed with this car and happy with the purchase. Wife loves it too!

Good job.

[sqwinny]

Nice pick up. If you get bored a quick stage 1 flash will add a fair amount of power and gas mileage isn't affected. Nice way to gain around approx 50 whp and really wake the car up.

[Mracer]

Originally Posted by sqwinny

Nice pick up. If you get bored a quick stage 1 flash will add a fair amount of power and gas mileage isn't affected. Nice way to gain around approx 50 whp and really wake the car up.

good to know

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by sqwinny

Nice pick up. If you get bored a quick stage 1 flash will add a fair amount of power and gas mileage isn't affected. Nice way to gain around approx 50 whp and really wake the car up.

Bad advice as his wife will want more power! And then a 340 won’t be enough. Then she’ll want a g20 M340i and then that won’t be enough….

[sqwinny]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Bad advice as his wife will want more power! And then a 340 won't be enough. Then she'll want a g20 M340i and then that won't be enough….

Maybe maybe not. Most people are happy with the faster spool speed and sudden mid range torque to pass. The tune alone makes it fun even if you don't go past 4k or so.

[OldDudesBimmer]

Originally Posted by n55david

the 5s are pwg.. at least all of the ones I've seen.

Just to clarify for anyone reading this older thread. The 5’s are not all PWG. The F10 535i switched from PWG to EWG mid cycle. I believe it was around 2014 or so they were transitioned. I own an LCI 2016 F10 535i XDrive with EWG. Great reliable and fun car thus far..last year of the generation. MHD Stage 1/XHP Stage 3 tuned since 17k. That said, only at 35k thus far. And yes, the 5’s are pigs compared the 3’s, but ride quality is a lot smoother and feels quite a bit more like a luxury car overall. Do it again, I’d likely pick the 335i, but the wife would stay in the 535i (smoothness, trunk size, comfort, “perceived” luxury etc.). Both are great cars with the N55, and especially the EWG