12-20-2012, 01:49 PM | #111 |
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I've driven about 500 miles now with the M-Performance brakes and surprisingly, they are starting to "feel" better. Pedal feels less spongy, and responsiveness seems to be improved. I also did "bed" the brakes properly as recommended in various posts, which probably helped.
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12-20-2012, 02:31 PM | #112 | |
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Any advice on steel brake lines? I assume these would have to be aftermarket? (no BMW OEM?) |
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12-20-2012, 06:58 PM | #113 |
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but I was curious to know if the m performance front calipers are actually any different than the m sport front calipers. Is it just paint and the rotors or are they actually different in size.
Also, would I be able to run the rear m performance calipers with oem M-Sport rear rotors? |
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12-20-2012, 08:43 PM | #114 | |
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All parts are interchangeable between the 2 systems, so swapping discs are fine. |
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12-20-2012, 09:16 PM | #115 | |
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12-23-2012, 09:20 PM | #116 | |
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There is a member on here who is planning on doing steel lines with his M Perf brakes. I'd ask him as he will have direct knowledge on the subject. Hopefully he'll also post his impressions on how it all works. Thanks for the positive comments. |
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12-23-2012, 09:30 PM | #117 | |
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US market Msports that optioned M Perf brakes from the factory use blue calipers, whereas M Perf brakes ordered later have a choice of different colors. If an Msport came with the optional M Perf from the factory, then they are the same as the different colored M Perf that can be ordered after delivery. In the US the OEM Msport brakes are not the M Performance brakes. OEM US Msports don't get the same diameter rotors that come with the M Performance brake kit. The M Perf rotors are larger diameter front and rear. US Msport 335i front calipers don't look to be the same as M Perf Brembo calipers, and the rears are clearly not the same. |
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12-23-2012, 09:37 PM | #118 | |
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I measured my front 335i Msport rotors and they are not the 14.5" apprx diameter that are part of the M Perf brakes. My rotors are somewhere around 13.5". Also, my rear rotors are smaller than the M Perf rears. |
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12-23-2012, 10:39 PM | #119 | |
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I think before we move on to anything, I should clarify, with previous info from E90fleet, the situation with M-sport brakes & standard brakes: Standard brakes 320i EU (all lines + M-sport package, which is option 337) F:300mm (single pot floating) R:300mm (single pot floating) Standard brakes 328i EU (ditto) F:330mm (ditto) R:300mm (ditto) Standard brakes 328i US/CDN (ditto except M-sport package) F:300mm (ditto) R:300mm (ditto) Standard brakes 328i US/CDN (M-sport package only) F:330mm (ditto) R:300mm (ditto) Standard brakes 335i EU/CDN/US (ditto) F:340mm (4-pot fixed) R:330mm (ditto) M-sport brakes 316d-320i EU (option 2NH, only in conjunction with option 337) F:340mm (4-pot fixed) R:345mm (2-pot fixed) M-sport brakes 328i CDN/US (planned but not yet available) F:340mm (ditto) R:345mm (ditto) M-sport brakes 328i-335i EU, 335i CDN/US (ditto, planned but not available in US yet) F:370mm (ditto) R:345mm (ditto) Pls note that M-sport brakes (blue calipers, option 2NH) is different from M-sport package (option 337). For all markets option 2NH is only available, as an extra factory cost option, in conjuction with option 337 (M-sport package), with only some select markets (depending on importers) 2NH being standard on cars with option 337. The 370mm+345mm version of 2NH is part-for-part interchangeable with M-performance aftermarket retrofit system. The 340mm+345mm version of 2NH being part-for-part interchangeable only on the rear pairs - the front pairs being part-for-part interchangeable with the standard front brakes on the 335i (all spec combinations ex.2NH). Last edited by clarence; 04-15-2013 at 12:01 AM.. |
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12-23-2012, 10:44 PM | #120 |
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The brakes are the same for all lines & packages for their respective markets & engine sizes. Cars with M-sport package (option 337) have the same brakes as standard as on other trim levels within the same engine size, only if option 2NH is ordered with option 337 then u'll get M-sport brakes. Without option 2NH the brakes are not called "M-sport brakes", regardless of whether option 337 (M-sport package) is specified, hence so far M-sport brakes does not exist for US-spec cars w/M-sport package.
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12-23-2012, 10:58 PM | #121 | ||
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12-23-2012, 11:42 PM | #122 | |
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As of today if u want a 335i w/2NH u have to go north across the border to get it from CDN. |
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12-24-2012, 10:14 PM | #123 | |
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In the US market, stock OEM Msport F30's do NOT come with the blue caliper M sport brakes. US market does not have the "M Sport/blue caliper" brake option. Those are available in other markets. In the US we have the "M Performance" brake option, that is installed after the car leaves the factory. "M Perf" brake have the same size rotors as the blue caliper "M sport" brakes, and use the same calipers. Thus, "M Sport" brakes are the same as the "M Performance" brakes except the M Performance brakes can be had in 3 other colors not blue, and M Perf rotors are "dimpled". I don't believe the M Sport blue brakes get the dimpled rotor. Per moderator southlight: BRAKES: In the US, M Sport Brakes are a not available as part of the M Sport Package or as a standalone option (US members can opt for the M Performance Brakes, which are the same as M Sport brakes, except for color). In Germany, M Sport Brakes are option and the option requires either M Sport Package or a 335i with at least 18" wheels. The M Sport Brakes feature bigger rotor sizes and fixed piston calipers both front and rear. They are Brembo 4-piston aluminum fixed calipers on the front axle and 2-piston aluminum fixed calipers on the rear axle. The brake calipers are painted in dark blue and an M logo is applied (think of the F10 M5 caliper design here) (see the first photos below from a previous spy photo) . You may not want to miss out on the M Sport brakes, as BMW will be offering as a BMW Performance part, huge 370mm drilled/slotted brake discs for the M Sport brakes (see below). I think some confusion comes from BMW naming the blue caliper brakes "M sport" brakes, as some people on this forum think that an Msport F30 comes standard with "M Sport" brakes, which is not the case. Some think that an "M sport" has "M sport" brakes, which it doesn't. |
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12-25-2012, 02:15 PM | #124 |
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Very confused now after reading everything lol
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12-25-2012, 04:41 PM | #126 |
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I just bought a '12 335 with the sport package and it has the 4 piston brakes up front and they are painted silver. The rears look like regular single piston brakes.
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12-25-2012, 08:31 PM | #127 |
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They're the standard 335i brakes which are fitted to all 335i's worldwide, unless option 337 & option 2NH are ordered from factory.
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07-26-2013, 04:20 AM | #128 |
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Hello everyone,
Does anyone knows are there any alternative aftermarket brake pads (e.g. stoptech, hawkpads, etc...) available for the M-sport brakes 328i-335i EU, 335i CDN/US F:370mm R:345mm? Thank you.
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