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Multiple occurrences? Warranty issues and customer service issues? That doesn't sound like the pure turbos I know. My car was the first n55 EVER to have a PS2 turbo. Done hundereds of 1/2 mile events on it. You guys PURE has more turbos out on n55 motors by a long shot. Probably over 20x more then the next competitor in line. More turbos sold is a greater chance to have an issue here or there. The guys talking about melting the cats or turbine, yeah you're not supposed to run more then 17-18 psi with a cat. That should be common knowledge. Thinking one test car that's been running for a couple months is enough to justify the "new" options as reliable think again. Let's see hindered of 1/2 mile pulls with videos and logs performing like pure has. Reading through this thread is a joke, there's hundreds of trouble free PS2 n55's out there and you guys can only post what 2 examples of issues? The guy who went through 3 turbos had a motor issue IIRC so I don't think his turbo failures were due to bad turbos. Seems way excessive, stick to the facts. PURE has been around the block and back, they have proven to be the most reliable upgrade out there.
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The BorgWarner EFR 7670 Turbo SpeedTech (S3) is using has been out longer than the F Series Platform...just no one has ever adapted it to the N55. This Turbo is proven... FYI, I currently have the Pure S2 also...with no issues *Knocks on wood .
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Not saying the BW is a bad or unreliable turbo, that's not all that's getting changed when going to a S3 kit. Lots of things to take into consideration...that's all I'm gonna say. I just think this thread has gone a little off track with the BS being posted about PURE. Let's stick to the facts they hold the n55 1/4 and 1/2 mile records for ET and trap if I'm not mistaken. They have supported the n55 from the beginning and continue to do so. There has never been any smoke and mirrors with PURE, they post results and facts not a picture or two from a certain angle making the stock housing look like its mis engineered from the factory...
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I don't get these people barely hearing about a turbo kit being released or kit that has just been released and saying it is top notch just because it has a good turbo. Obviously you want a good turbo, but it's the performance and reliability of the whole package that matters. And it takes time to prove something is reliable. It's great we have more options, but until they have a substantial amount sold and running on cars, we really won't know how good the kits are. Also, you can stop with the inaccurate statements about Pure costumer service or the PS2. They have sold a ton of kits and they back up their product 100%
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Everything new needs to be tested, I don't know how long these guys have been testing these turbos man, probably the same amount of time that pure did years ago. I'm not associated with them, I just got info through some loops. And this is just one out of 3 new turbo vendors coming out. Something new is always good, competition is always good. As far as I'm concerned you stick to what you think is best and go with it. No need to get sideways about competitors coming out with products. This platform since the unlock of the DME has grown insanely popular, it was only a matter of time before things like this started pouring in. There are 4 options now with endless possibilities. You like pure, then spend your coin there...
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Like I said I have personally had a good experience with Pure and a smooth transaction. But that does not go to say that I should not state what I have seen and handled personally a failed turbo. So it coincides with what you stated, its about "high volume." Everything I have seen, read and heard is relatively from Pure has been pretty recent. I work for a major manufacturer that grossed 9.39 billion dollars last year. We ramp up production and its a proven fact/statistic using TWG per 100 quality will suffer. I understand statistics and deal with it on a daily in production. I think this is what is going on with such a small business and trying to cater to a global N55 platform. No one said those guys are not awesome and a good crew to deal with I was refunded my core within 2 days. That speaks volume. I just think they may be overwhelmed trying to push out products that are in high demand. Leading to my next point aside form all the drama. There are some more options now ok "unproven" lets be fair, with a twin scroll OEM casing and ball bearing instead of journal in stage 2 and 2.5 offerings so whats not to like. At this point I will wait it out and see the data and results and would rather upgrade to BB. I think many members would opt for BB instead of journal, but all we can do is wait and see.
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I can only speak for the local to me X4 with a stage 2 ball bearing and he is ironing out his tune. His results should come up very soon but he will have to chime in on that. It will be interesting to see what they all do comparing to Pure since they set the benchmark.
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Also, how's Pure Stage 1 been for you? Specifically in the top end; I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the anemic top end performance of the stock turbo past 5,000rpm. That issue is only exacerbated when you're pushing an aggressive custom tune. I just want good power that stays consistent throughout the entire rev-range. Last edited by YouAreMyWorld; 04-16-2017 at 09:59 AM.. |
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I like the pure stage 1 it was cost effective and gave me 14psi to redline. It spikes to 18-19 depending on temps. Before on stock PWG turbo I was having trouble holding 7psi to redline. With a jb4 I can hold 17-18 to redline but the 2 seperate flash tunes I have, the dme wont hold like the jb4 does. Using Jb4 however is very aggressive and is my kill map. I hardly ever run it.
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Their initial offerings were amazing--product quality, what they were producing and price were unbeatable.. unfortunately their "success" ultimately lead to their downfall.. and boy oh boy did that plane take a nose dive. Merely a couple months after making splash on our scene did lack of quality control and product degradation become apparent. Turbo's blowing up, people never even receiving their product after having paid, and the entire "company" going under. I would be.. 100% skeptical. As for my Custom Wedge tune, I hit 21 PSI in 3rd gear @3,000rpm, but by red-line.. I'm barely hitting 12.. talk about falling off the Himalaya's. So imagine shifting at redline in 2nd gear into 3rd.. brutally underwhelming on stock turbo. And even more so when you know fully well what 3rd gear at lower revs does.. makes me cri every time, lmao. |
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I never see over 18-19 psi especially over 4500 rpm. I wish I could hold 18 to redline but the bm3 or ACF flash just won't, it starts to drop off. Running jb4 can lie I said but man is the car on full tilt all the time and I feel it brought on a whole different set of issues when stacking. I've even spoken to Peter the Belgian pure turbo sponsor to try and sort things out with flash only. He basically reiterated that when he was on flash only and pure stage 1 he saw the same type of drop offs. I guess jb4 can be the ultimate boost controller but I like my current maps they're very good for what they both bring to the table. What is your midrange boost? And any turbo upgrade plans?
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4,500rpm = 19.6PSI 5,000rpm = 17.1PSI 5,500rpm = 15.2PSI 6,000rpm = 13.3PSI 6,500rpm = 12.4PSI Awesome tune by Wedge, but there's only so much you can do with stock turbo on the N55. It's both saddening and frustrating. I'll take top end over lower end every day of the week. This is on 91ACN Otc as well. My turbo upgrade is to hopefully be this kit, that's why I've been keeping my eye on this side of the forum for "real-world videos", as this kit isn't yet available for the E9X platform. Throughout my research and being as involved within the community as I can be, Speedtech's offering definitely appears to be the best--both in terms of cost and touted performance. |
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Yeah between 5,000-6,000 that thing nosedives and fast. Honestly it's tough to get it to hold on a flash tune. Most flashes I've seen concentrate on low end and midrange and from what I've seen the harder you tune them down low the faster they fall up top. What year and model car are you?
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M2 & X4 M40 are definitely holding more than 15psi after 5500rpm with Bootmod3 only
See attachment, M2 and my log... Same log I see my 3rd gear 6k rpm 16psi 4th gear attached 5th gear 6560 rpm 15psi
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I'm an E92, so we still have the 6AT. Shifting before redline just doesn't "feel right" right tbh. And I know, my tune is already complete, I'm not complaining about the tune, I'm complaining about our anemic stock turbo.
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