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M adaptive suspension and VSS. You can get the M adaptive system put on any line. The lines Base, Modern, and Luxury come standard with the base passive suspension. It is the softest setup and has the tallest ride height. How the suspension works does not change with different driving modes. If you get an X drive with any of those lines, and also get the M adaptive option, then you will not get the lower and heavier rate springs. X drive only gets the adaptive dampers for the suspension. I'm not positive, but I think X drive also gets the thicker anti-roll bars. Sport and Msport come stock with the "sport" suspension. It too is passive and thus does not change it's operation in relation to the different driver modes. The sport suspension is lower by 10mm compared to the base suspension. It has heavier rate springs and dampers to match, along with thicker anti-roll/anti-sway bars. You can get the M adaptive suspension for those lines as well. Sport line and Msport line have pretty much the same suspension. Some have said that Msport comes with thicker anti-roll bars, but some say it doesn't. This needs to be verified. |
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05-11-2013, 07:42 PM | #25 | |
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Yes, if you add the DH pkg, then the "sport" and "M sport" suspension will get removed. Sport and Msport are basically the same passive suspension. So when you add DH pkg you will then get the "M adaptive" suspension. The M adaptive is an option it doesn't come standard with Sport or Msport. If you are talking about the M Performance suspension, then you can not add that to an F30 that has the M adaptive option. So the M adaptive is an option, and the M Performance is also an option. M Performance is added at port not at the factory. M adaptive is added at the factory. |
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05-11-2013, 07:51 PM | #26 | |
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The adaptive suspension has the ability to soften to the level of the base passive suspension. But the M adaptive has greater control of the springs within the drive modes, and that's the benefit it offers, greater control of the suspension in general. In my experience M adaptive doesn't feel any firmer in sport mode compared to the passive sport suspension. Again, it does have greater control and is thus technically "better" over all. Some say that M adaptive in sport mode feels firmer. Perhaps they are noting the difference in damping ability of the adaptive dampers. I don't know. Hopefully they can post and explain what they are experiencing. |
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05-11-2013, 07:53 PM | #27 | |
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31356792119 - With M-Sport http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...31&fg=10&hl=16 25mm/21.2mm vs 25mm/22.2mm Not sure how to interpret those measurements, but that's what I found |
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05-11-2013, 11:08 PM | #28 |
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Just so I am clear - Can the M Performance Suspension Kit be installed on an F30 M Sport with Adaptive M Suspension?
If yes, what are the Advantages and Disadvantages of installing the Kit on an F30 M Sport that has the Adaptive M Suspension? |
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you can install it on your adaptive, but the whole point of adaptive is the adjust-ability of the dampers- which you won't be able to do anymore after installing the M performance kit. The shocks/ dampers on the m-performance kit are NON adjustable.
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I verified that the part numbers of the M Adaptive suspension components are different on xDrive and RWD cars - including springs, dampers, and ARBs. But is the M Adaptive suspension the same on any RWD 3 series? M Sport/Sport line cars with passive suspension are 10mm lower than the Base/Modern/Luxury line cars. Presumably, the ride height is the same (that is, lowered 10mm) on M Sport/Sport with M Adaptive. But what about a Base/Modern/Sport line car with M Adaptive? I wonder if the M Adaptive suspension would lower the ride height of these cars by 10mm as well...?
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I have DHP, and the car is fairly soft in eco/comfort mode. And then stiffens up nicely in Sport/Sport+. Does anyone have experience with how this compares to the base sport/comfort passive suspension?
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But if the Sport/M Sport lines get passive suspension that lowers the car another 10mm, would it make sense that opting for the M Adaptive Sport suspension would raise it back up 10mm? Or does the M Adaptive fitted to the Base/Luxury/Modern lines lower those cars by 10mm as well? (This would make more sense) Quote:
In xDrive, there is no difference in ride height, or suspension stiffness. (And the xDrives are already higher/softer than the RWDs) M Adaptive Suspension doesn't change the ride height as far as I know in either RWD or xDrive, but it does clean up some of the body roll - especially over the passive non-sport suspensions.
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OK, that makes sense. Do you know if the ride height with DHP is lowered on Luxry/Modern/Base lines as well? (I would assume that it would be) If so, then there is basically an option for the same sport suspension on all the RWD model lines.
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bringin this thread back to life
interested in continuing what RPM90 was getting to ... is it possible to match springs from the M perf susp onto the M adaptive susp? now that we know the M perf suspension kit is actually sold w the springs separately maybe theres an opportunity there to take advantage of the adaptive suspension and use the M perf springs to lower it and stiffen a bit ????
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RPM is right in what he says. Currently considering an F30 335i Sport LIne with M Adaptive sups as an option (yes possible here in the sand lands) and debating wether to opt for this or go the Performance suspension route. In my case, M Adaptive comes with variable steering, a very sweet option I used to have in my old E90 335i and used to it. On the negatives, adaptive suspension is very expensive to replace shocks if needed. in my MK6 GTI that had it, and could experience all the benefits RPM sates, the price of the shocks is double than non-adaptive. On the other hand, Performance suspension is the sweetest thing I experienced so far in my driving experience with any car. However beware of hidden expenses in the near term. In my E90, I had to replace engine mounts (!) in just 20K KMS, as they were stressed quickly due to a firmer chassis overall and you have to be very carefull with your tyre wear. Once off, you will have no pre-alert! And that is, I am driving very normal, exceptionally enthusiastic... No tracking, no racing, just faster than average. Lastly, I would not consider mixing Performance springs with M adaptive shocks. The spring / damping equations + ESD/DSP etc.. are quite complicated and a whole dept in BMW I am sure have spent many hours into this. This is maybe why adding one option, automatically negates another one... i wouldnt wnat to go find out what BMW engineers have already concluded.. My 2 cents..
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